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Subject: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
From: photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Philip F)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:14:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00)

The biggest place for data I've found is compiled here:
http://www.project-double-x.org/

Tom Abrahamson and a few others have shown beautiful results with D-76, 
HC110 and Adox Borax MQ. I have yet to try the latter.

Phil Forrest


-----Original Message-----
>From: charcot <charcot at comcast.net>
>Sent: Nov 14, 2011 11:01 AM
>To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>Subject: Re: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
>
>  Well I made the plunge and bought a 400 ft roll.   Anyone have any 
>idea of ISO and dev. times for HC110?
>
>ernie
>
>On 11/14/2011 8:56 AM, Dante Stella wrote:
>> Where are you finding 100-150ft rolls?  That's the max size that fits the 
>> mainstream 35mm units.  Are they short ends?  Or is there some massively 
>> larger loader that take the 400-footers?
>>
>> Interesting on the coating; I looked this up, and they apparently use 
>> *less* antihalo coating on the b/w cinema film than they do b/w still 
>> film.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dante
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't noticed any coatings. Nothing comes off in processing and the
>>> negs are as clear as any other film I process. Fits in all my bulk 
>>> loaders
>>> ok, too. It does have motion picture sprocket holes, slightly different
>>> from what we usually get for 35mm still film/cameras, but this hasn't
>>> produced any problems running through my M's or Voigtlander's.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Dante Stella<dstella1 at 
>>> ameritech.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> And isn't it the same xx that has the nasty remjet coating and comes 
>>>> only
>>>> in 400ft rolls? That size doesn't exactly drop into a Watson loader.
>>>>
>>>> Dante
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Could you make a succinct statement re why you like the Edwal 12/XX 
>>>>> combo
>>>>> so much?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Larry Bullis<kingfisher at halcyon.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don Cardwell, Lee Lumkin, Thomas Bertilsson and myself did a 
>>>>>> continuing
>>>>>> study on Edwal 12 a while back. XX was a film that I took on as my
>>>> personal
>>>>>> project. I sort of dropped it because the sole supplier "film 
>>>>>> emporium"
>>>>>> couldn't seem to get it any more. Kodak supplying it in bulk? Very 
>>>>>> hard
>>>> to
>>>>>> imagine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I have pretty good data with this obscure, obsolete (!) chemistry
>>>> with
>>>>>> a pretty obscure, BUT entirely appropriate chemistry. Everyone has
>>>>>> forgotten about this. I can tell you that it is amazing. But I can't
>>>> show
>>>>>> you much. Why? because IF words and images can say the same thing, one
>>>> of
>>>>>> them is lying. I do not maintain an online presence, but if you wish, 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> will attempt to put something up you might relate to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone is really serious about pursuing this (and, I REALLY mean
>>>>>> REALLY, I'm not interested in casual unless there's enough serious
>>>> interest
>>>>>> to support it) I would be interested in either creating a new group to
>>>>>> study it, or, maybe more likely to bring additional research into the
>>>>>> existing group. I can't speak for my dearly beloved fellows, but I 
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> imagine them not rising to the concept, even though they may stop 
>>>>>> short
>>>> of
>>>>>> the densitometer. Don't worry, though. I have one or two of those 
>>>>>> awful
>>>>>> arcane things, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do think though that this film with this particular amazingly
>>>>>> appropriate chemistry is something that surpasses any particular
>>>> existing
>>>>>> loyalties - especially given the way things are going right now. I 
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> that if we have interest in stuff like this, the time is RIGHT NOW to
>>>>>> express that interest and create whatever body of research we possibly
>>>> can.
>>>>>> Otherwise it will go the way of that other XX - the super one, that I
>>>> miss
>>>>>> so desperately. It is time for us to speak up and demand that film
>>>>>> persists. It is stupid to abandon a peak technology for something that
>>>>>> can't replace it but could provide yet another viable medium.
>>>> Photography
>>>>>> as we knew it is like engraving was in 1860 right now. Looked at a
>>>> dollar
>>>>>> bill lately?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that you're going to find a better place to start. The
>>>> film
>>>>>> is wonderful. Do you like the 1960's aesthetic, as I do? The research
>>>> team
>>>>>> already at hand for the developer is a great place to start. At least,
>>>> I'm
>>>>>> ready to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The film is one that we've all seen in the movies - but we're sure not
>>>>>> seeing it any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> L
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/13/11 8:41 PM, lug-request at leica-users.org wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:53:32 -0800
>>>>>>> From: Richard Man<richard at richardmanphoto.**com<
>>>> richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't this the XX film? Phil Forrest gave me a roll (thanks!) in NYC,
>>>> and
>>>>>>> it does appear to be close to "old school" film. Of course I really
>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know much about old school film but it does the job competently, even
>>>> in
>>>>>>> this era of mixed analog/digital workflow. In the "Mark is sometimes
>>>> right
>>>>>>> even when he is wrong" department, I have settled on Acros 100 for
>>>>>>> landscape at ISO100, TriX for people/landscape at ISO320 and low 
>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>> stuff of Neopan 1600 at ISO1000, all souped in the 2-bath 
>>>>>>> Pyrocat-HD. I
>>>>>>> would gladly use the XX for Tri-X stuff but the Tri-X works so well
>>>> that
>>>>>>> there's hardly any need. I buy the Arista Premium from Freestyle 
>>>>>>> which
>>>> is
>>>>>>> Tri-X for just over $3 a roll so the cost is not bad either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This film c
>>>>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from csaganich at gmail.com (Chris Saganich) ([Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak)
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