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Subject: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
From: lew1716 at gmail.com (Lew Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:43:15 -0500
References: <7331195.1321294442629.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Man, I've been working with this stuff for years & never came across this
link. Thanks!

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Philip F <photo.forrest at 
earthlink.net>wrote:

> The biggest place for data I've found is compiled here:
> http://www.project-double-x.org/
>
> Tom Abrahamson and a few others have shown beautiful results with D-76,
> HC110 and Adox Borax MQ. I have yet to try the latter.
>
> Phil Forrest
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: charcot <charcot at comcast.net>
> >Sent: Nov 14, 2011 11:01 AM
> >To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
> >
> >  Well I made the plunge and bought a 400 ft roll.   Anyone have any
> >idea of ISO and dev. times for HC110?
> >
> >ernie
> >
> >On 11/14/2011 8:56 AM, Dante Stella wrote:
> >> Where are you finding 100-150ft rolls?  That's the max size that fits
> the mainstream 35mm units.  Are they short ends?  Or is there some
> massively larger loader that take the 400-footers?
> >>
> >> Interesting on the coating; I looked this up, and they apparently use
> *less* antihalo coating on the b/w cinema film than they do b/w still film.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dante
> >>
> >> On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I haven't noticed any coatings. Nothing comes off in processing and the
> >>> negs are as clear as any other film I process. Fits in all my bulk
> loaders
> >>> ok, too. It does have motion picture sprocket holes, slightly different
> >>> from what we usually get for 35mm still film/cameras, but this hasn't
> >>> produced any problems running through my M's or Voigtlander's.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Dante Stella<dstella1 at ameritech.net
> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And isn't it the same xx that has the nasty remjet coating and comes
> only
> >>>> in 400ft rolls? That size doesn't exactly drop into a Watson loader.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dante
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>  
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Could you make a succinct statement re why you like the Edwal 12/XX
> combo
> >>>>> so much?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Larry Bullis<kingfisher at 
> >>>>> halcyon.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don Cardwell, Lee Lumkin, Thomas Bertilsson and myself did a
> continuing
> >>>>>> study on Edwal 12 a while back. XX was a film that I took on as my
> >>>> personal
> >>>>>> project. I sort of dropped it because the sole supplier "film
> emporium"
> >>>>>> couldn't seem to get it any more. Kodak supplying it in bulk? Very
> hard
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> imagine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So I have pretty good data with this obscure, obsolete (!) chemistry
> >>>> with
> >>>>>> a pretty obscure, BUT entirely appropriate chemistry. Everyone has
> >>>>>> forgotten about this. I can tell you that it is amazing. But I can't
> >>>> show
> >>>>>> you much. Why? because IF words and images can say the same thing,
> one
> >>>> of
> >>>>>> them is lying. I do not maintain an online presence, but if you
> wish, I
> >>>>>> will attempt to put something up you might relate to.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If anyone is really serious about pursuing this (and, I REALLY mean
> >>>>>> REALLY, I'm not interested in casual unless there's enough serious
> >>>> interest
> >>>>>> to support it) I would be interested in either creating a new group
> to
> >>>>>> study it, or, maybe more likely to bring additional research into
> the
> >>>>>> existing group. I can't speak for my dearly beloved fellows, but I
> can't
> >>>>>> imagine them not rising to the concept, even though they may stop
> short
> >>>> of
> >>>>>> the densitometer. Don't worry, though. I have one or two of those
> awful
> >>>>>> arcane things, too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I do think though that this film with this particular amazingly
> >>>>>> appropriate chemistry is something that surpasses any particular
> >>>> existing
> >>>>>> loyalties - especially given the way things are going right now. I
> think
> >>>>>> that if we have interest in stuff like this, the time is RIGHT NOW
> to
> >>>>>> express that interest and create whatever body of research we
> possibly
> >>>> can.
> >>>>>> Otherwise it will go the way of that other XX - the super one, that
> I
> >>>> miss
> >>>>>> so desperately. It is time for us to speak up and demand that film
> >>>>>> persists. It is stupid to abandon a peak technology for something
> that
> >>>>>> can't replace it but could provide yet another viable medium.
> >>>> Photography
> >>>>>> as we knew it is like engraving was in 1860 right now. Looked at a
> >>>> dollar
> >>>>>> bill lately?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think that you're going to find a better place to start. The
> >>>> film
> >>>>>> is wonderful. Do you like the 1960's aesthetic, as I do? The
> research
> >>>> team
> >>>>>> already at hand for the developer is a great place to start. At
> least,
> >>>> I'm
> >>>>>> ready to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The film is one that we've all seen in the movies - but we're sure
> not
> >>>>>> seeing it any more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> L
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/13/11 8:41 PM, lug-request at leica-users.org wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:53:32 -0800
> >>>>>>> From: Richard Man<richard at richardmanphoto.**com<
> >>>> richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
> >>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>>>>       <CAF8hL-**FPxy1Q4nAKVAdGvbtbqU7Rssm8_**
> >>>>>>> brDVkDrwHzB6W8e7w at mail.gmail.**com<
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> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Isn't this the XX film? Phil Forrest gave me a roll (thanks!) in
> NYC,
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> it does appear to be close to "old school" film. Of course I really
> >>>> don't
> >>>>>>> know much about old school film but it does the job competently,
> even
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>> this era of mixed analog/digital workflow. In the "Mark is
> sometimes
> >>>> right
> >>>>>>> even when he is wrong" department, I have settled on Acros 100 for
> >>>>>>> landscape at ISO100, TriX for people/landscape at ISO320 and low
> light
> >>>>>>> stuff of Neopan 1600 at ISO1000, all souped in the 2-bath
> Pyrocat-HD. I
> >>>>>>> would gladly use the XX for Tri-X stuff but the Tri-X works so well
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>> there's hardly any need. I buy the Arista Premium from Freestyle
> which
> >>>> is
> >>>>>>> Tri-X for just over $3 a roll so the cost is not bad either.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at 
> >>>>>>> gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> This film c
> >>>>>>>>
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