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Subject: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
From: kanner at acm.org (Herbert Kanner)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:12:37 -0800
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Dr. Ted:

What happened to you on a large scale is what just happened to me for 
three images. It is an indication that the user interface of Adobe 
products sucks and that goes for Photoshop too.

When you import the RAW files into LR, there is a spot on the window 
where you tell it where the hell to put the DNG (RAW) files. That 
info is supposed to stay put unless deliberately changed. My DNGs go 
to a terabyte disk that is always connected to my computer and is a 
different disk from my ordinary backup.

Well, three pictures vanished, and I finally found them in a folder 
on my internal disk, a folder that I use for .jpg files that are 
probably destined for the LUG gallery. No idea how that happened.

Cheers,

Herb

>Adam Bridge OFFERED:
>>>>This is seriously neat and means that your original file is ALWAYS
>there to be edited in its original state.<<<<<<
>
>Hi Adam,
>That being the case how is it when I was shooting RAW and
>downloading into Lightroom. All had been going fine and I'd do the
>same routine everytime. WHEN ONE DAY????????
>
>All I had on screen was about 2000 or more nice looking grey
>coloured 35mm looking frames in the Lightroom folders / files?
>Pictures? Images? Frames? NADA !!! Not one but blank grey 35mm
>frames.... Unfortunately lost some important stuff. :-(
>
>My immediate response??? Screw this LR stuff.... went back to
>shooting JPEG and using Photoshop and all has been perfect ever
>since.
>
>I keep hearing LIGHTROOM folks say.... "The images are in there you
>just have to find them!" Well OK I have looked in every conceivable
>click on spot..... same thing, " beautiful grey coloured 35mm blank
>frames!" Another? "OFFLINE OR MISSING!" Yeah right, they sure as
>hell are missing!
>
>>>>This is seriously neat and means that your original file is
>>>>ALWAYS there to be edited in its original state.<<<<
>
>I can only offer...... "REALLY?" And where might I find them? I have
>found some in folders through the Photoshop system.. But hundreds of
>others??????????????? no where in site. If they were giving away the
>very best LR system for free I'd have doubts about taking it.
>Unfortunately when I read all the good & great stuff you fok are
>sayng about Light Room.
>
>cheers,
>ted
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net>
>To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
>
>
>>I'm not so sure I understand this non-destructive business. It is
>>supposed to be the end-all answer to our problems, and answer to a
>>question that seemed without an answer, and yet I've been doing the
>>same thing for years. Simple, really, before photoshopping a file,
>>save it with a different name, and do all you want to it, the
>>original remains untouched.
>>
>>Oh well, I never said I was smart.
>>
>>Bill Pearce
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Adam Bridge
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:01 AM
>>To: Leica Users Group
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] photoshop-vs-lightroom
>>
>>On thing not mentioned: Lightroom is entirely non-destructive to
>>your images. Everything it does is parametric - that is the changes
>>are done on the fly. This is seriously neat and means that your
>>original file is ALWAYS there to be edited in its original state.
>>
>>Photoshop doesn't do that unless you convert to smart filters.
>>
>>It's the creation of masks on the fly that is amazing inside
>>Lightroom. I have a bit of an inkling on how it does it, but I sure
>>admire the engineers who implemented those features.
>>
>>There are tasks that only Photoshop can do. If you need layers and
>>compositing then Lightroom isn't it - although you can do much
>>before you get to the point where you need those.
>>
>>I'm making these points, not to convince Mark that he's wrong, but
>>simply to bring out a fundamental and profound difference between
>>the two software environments.
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>On Dec 26, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>
>>>http://mansurovs.com/photoshop-vs-lightroom
>>>Here is a comparison.
>>>There are hundreds of others you could find in a minute.
>>>
>>
>>
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-- 
Herbert Kanner
kanner at acm.org
650-326-8204

Question authority and the authorities will question you.


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