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Subject: [Leica] Zeiss vs. Leica, was Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:53:41 -0400

I had in mind just a little bit another Zeiss post by somebody else and of
course not yours nor claiming to have any opinion on your private financial
doings which I would not claim any insight into. I didn't really even read
your post about having to sell something for money for some reason or
another. I don't read all the posts on the lug not get involved in all
issues.
-- 
Mark Rabiner
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/


> From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:42:09 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Zeiss vs Leica, was Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1
> 
> Mark, you're still harping on this Zeiss thing? Which you felt the need to
> spew in response to me trying to sell my ZM Sonnar? I didn't need your
> damned commentary. I'm selling that lens because I NEED THE MONEY. My
> offering it for sale wasn't done to commit some fraud, contrary to your
> ignorant little fantasy. You don't like the ZM lenses? Don't f--king buy
> one. Otherwise, as the King of Spain said to Hugo Chavez: "?Por que no te
> callas?" (why don't you shut up?).
> 
> -- 
> Chris Crawford
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> 
> On 3/30/12 10:27 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> People would like to think they can spend chump change on a consumer
>> product
>> which will save them 6 grand on the price of an M9. That's what happens in
>> the Twilight Zone.   Not on planet real earth life where mainly about
>> getting what you pay for. There is no free lunch. A Chevy is not a
>> Mercedes.
>> Both are cars. Both have four wheels. After that the similarities are few.
>> 
>> And when a premium lens company in Germany hires a Japanese film to make a
>> line of  consumer priced lenses using cheaper materials and production
>> techniques the product is not "just as good" as their own product costing
>> thousands not hundreds made back in Germany. There's just no way in the
>> real
>> world a thing like this is going to happen. Not by luck. Not by fate. Not
>> by
>> a hole in the time warp. Not by a close out sale at Wal-Mart. You want
>> Zeiss? Pay for it. And I can recommend it. As I can recommend Leica.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Rabiner
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Lottermoser George <imagist3 at mac.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:10:25 -0500
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I just wonder how much apologizing I have to do when I doubt a camera
>>>> which
>>>> cost 1000 usd and is a smaller format than an M9 gets compared to an
>>>> M9 as
>>>> if its going to be a better camera or something. I have to buy the
>>>> camera
>>>> first?
>>> 
>>> No need to apologize for "doubting" Mark.
>>> I found the "comparison test" simply meaningless.
>>> Both examples appeared sub par to my eyes.
>>> 
>>> And I quite agree with you that if I had an M9
>>> I'd have no further need for any "relatively small" digital camera.
>>> In fact I feel the same way about my M8.
>>> Someone would have to show me something quite "special"
>>> to compete with the size, weight and capability of the M8.
>>> 
>>>> I just don't feel like Leica needs to defend itself against cameras
>>>> which
>>>> were never meant to compete with it in the first place.
>>> 
>>> I quite agree.
>>> Though the "photo world" loves to compare any thing that is about the
>>> size of
>>> an M9
>>> to the M9 - makes for great headlines - "Is camera X, Y or Z the M9
>>> Beater?"
>>> 
>>>> The price reflects materials and production tolerances.
>>>> Quality control.
>>> 
>>> True - and again - agreed.
>>> 
>>> Though a Timex does keep time very well;
>>> as does my does my 10 year old Motorola flip phone;
>>> and my iPad.
>>> 
>>> And my '93 Saturn gets me from point A to point B
>>> extremely economically.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> George Lottermoser
>>> george at imagist.com
>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Replies: Reply from photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Phil Forrest) ([Leica] Zeiss vs. Leica, was Fwd: 60mm Macro on Fuji X Pro 1)
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