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Subject: [Leica] Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
From: chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com (Chris Crawford)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 02:14:58 -0400

Jayanand,

You need to go back and reread what I wrote. Honestly, I am not sure what
exactly you were responding to. It certainly is not to what I wrote. I
certainly didn't 'sneer and jeer' at the world's poor. You have me
confused with the woman I responded to.

If you think I'm in favor of 'raping and pillaging' the world because I
won't work for less than the basic cost of living, then sure, I'm a rapist
and pillager. In the USA, it is AGAINST THE LAW to live like people in
poor countries do. If I fed my son a third-world diet, the state would
take him from me and put me in prison for child abuse. If I lived in the
housing one sees in poor countries...same thing, my child would be taken
from me by the state, I'd be locked up, and the state would order the
demolition of the home for violating housing safety codes. If I lived in a
small apartment with lots of other people, we'd all be evicted by the
state because there are laws in the state of Indiana regulating how many
people can live in a dwelling (based on the number of rooms the home has
and the size of the home or apartment).

Americans who complain about the low wages here are not being 'entitled
whiners', we are coping with a situation where the law basically makes it
a crime to be poor, while the state allows employers to pay wages that are
anywhere from 1/2 to 1/4 the most minimal cost of living within the
strictures of the law (the difference in how far the wages of low-paid
people go depends on the cost of living in different parts of the USA).
Millions here are stuck between a rock and a hard place, and eventually
something is going to have to give. Do you know that in Indiana, you can
be arrested and imprisoned if a police officer catches you on the streets
with less than $10 in your pocket? The crime is called 'vagrancy' and its
used in Fort Wayne to remove the homeless from the streets so the
'respectable' folks don't have to see the 'trash'.

-- 
Chris Crawford
Fine Art Photography
Fort Wayne, Indiana
260-437-8990

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On 4/9/12 1:57 AM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:

>Chris,
>It is time YOU understood that you cannot rape and pillage the worlds
>finite resources to maintain YOUR standard of living at the cost of 95% of
>the world's population. That era is over, and the sooner you adjust to it,
>the easier it will be for you. There are enough people in the world today
>who are perfectly satisfied with a lower standard of living than what you
>evidently deem to be your right, and who will work very, very hard to
>achieve that goal, and sneering and jeering at them will get you nowhere.
>
>If we are to continue this debate, maybe we should take it to the Forum.
>
>Cheers
>Jayanand
>
>On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Chris Crawford <
>chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>
>> People won't take the jobs because they pay starvation wages. I don't
>> blame them, I won't work for that little either. When people willingly
>> accept shit jobs, they cause immense damage to the entire economy of the
>> nation by encouraging employers to pay less and less. Its a myth anyway
>> that fruit goes unpicked for lack of white workers. They get poor
>>Mexicans
>> to do it, and as a Hispano-American (part of my family came from
>>Spain), I
>> find it offensive that my fellow Hispanics are ruthlessly exploited so
>> that middle class Americans can pay a few dollars less for fruit.
>>
>> People with your attitude need to study history. Remember what happened
>>in
>> Russia in 1917 or in China in 1949, or Cuba in 1959? The poor got tired
>>of
>> being spit on, and decided to cut some throats. I never thought I'd see
>> the United States become the kind of place where that could happen, but
>> with our ruling class now determined to reduce the population to third
>> world poverty, and plenty of people like you cheering it on, I suspect
>> that in my lifetime I'm going to see that kind of violence in my
>>country,
>> and I'm not happy about it. YOU are the problem, and I agree with
>>Richard,
>> it sickens me to see this attitude. I fear for the future my son will
>> inherit. The present is bad enough for many people.
>>
>> --
>> Chris Crawford (in my last semester as a grad student in History at
>> Indiana University)
>> Fine Art Photography
>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> 260-437-8990
>>
>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>
>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My latest work!
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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