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Subject: [Leica] Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
From: chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com (Chris Crawford)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:24:37 -0400

People won't take the jobs because they pay starvation wages. I don't
blame them, I won't work for that little either. When people willingly
accept shit jobs, they cause immense damage to the entire economy of the
nation by encouraging employers to pay less and less. Its a myth anyway
that fruit goes unpicked for lack of white workers. They get poor Mexicans
to do it, and as a Hispano-American (part of my family came from Spain), I
find it offensive that my fellow Hispanics are ruthlessly exploited so
that middle class Americans can pay a few dollars less for fruit.

People with your attitude need to study history. Remember what happened in
Russia in 1917 or in China in 1949, or Cuba in 1959? The poor got tired of
being spit on, and decided to cut some throats. I never thought I'd see
the United States become the kind of place where that could happen, but
with our ruling class now determined to reduce the population to third
world poverty, and plenty of people like you cheering it on, I suspect
that in my lifetime I'm going to see that kind of violence in my country,
and I'm not happy about it. YOU are the problem, and I agree with Richard,
it sickens me to see this attitude. I fear for the future my son will
inherit. The present is bad enough for many people.

-- 
Chris Crawford (in my last semester as a grad student in History at
Indiana University)
Fine Art Photography
Fort Wayne, Indiana
260-437-8990

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On 4/9/12 1:12 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote:

>I give another example.
>
>I read that a lot of ripe fruits are left unpicked because no one (white
>in
>particular) in those places is willing to take the job. Rather, they sit
>at
>home and complain why the gov doesn't extend their jobless benefits.
>
>
>On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Richard Man
><richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
>
>> Speaking like a damned privileged class. This sickens me.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kay Yang <liangjiyang at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There are all kinds of jobs that have been eliminated in the past. So
>> while
>> > it sucks that most photographers are no longer worth as much as they
>>used
>> > to be, we should just move on and accept this change. There are all
>>kinds
>> > of jobs out there that are unfilled because there are no matching
>> > candidates. So I don't understand why people don't just learn some new
>> > skills and grab those jobs.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj
>><jayanand at gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Whatever may be the reason and justification, I agree 100% with Kay
>> Yang
>> > > from an economic and investment point of view. There are much less
>> > > expensive cameras that a full fledged working photographer can use
>>to
>> get
>> > > results that are equally acceptable in the marketplace.
>> > > Cheers
>> > > Jayanand
>> > > Cheers
>> > > Jayanand
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Chris Crawford <
>> > > chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Phil bought the camera in better times; like most Americans, this
>> > economy
>> > > > has made making a living hard in recent years. I've had to sell
>>gear
>> to
>> > > > pay bills too. He is a working professional photographer, not a
>>rich
>> > man
>> > > > playing with Leicas because they're expensive toys. I think it
>>sucks
>> he
>> > > > has to sell them and it sucks that real photographers really
>>cannot
>> > > afford
>> > > > this stuff anymore.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Chris Crawford
>> > > > Fine Art Photography
>> > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> > > > 260-437-8990
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>> > > >
>> > > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My latest work!
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>> > > > Become a fan on Facebook
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 4/9/12 12:27 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >If you need that extra few thousands to survive, you probably
>> > shouldn't
>> > > be
>> > > > >shooting with a Leica M in the first place.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Phil Forrest
>> > > > ><photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> I actually might.
>> > > > >> The M8 is a fantastic camera. I still have a bunch of UV/IR
>> > filters. I
>> > > > >> have an M9 and could definitely use the extra few thousand to
>>live
>> > off
>> > > > >> of.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Phil Forrest
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:07:32 -0400
>> > > > >> Vick Ko <vick.ko at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Factors:
>> > > > >> > - M9 is still $5K to $6, and will start going down its
>> devaluation
>> > > > >> > curve
>> > > > >> > - M8 is likely at the bottom of its devaluation curve, with
>>mint
>> > > > >> > units at $2.5K
>> > > > >> > - M8 is still a darned fine camera, and I still have a whack
>>of
>> > > UV/IR
>> > > > >> > filters
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Has anyone gone from M9 back to an M8? What were your
>>reasons?
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Vick
>> > > > >> >
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