Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/10

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Subject: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
From: dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:56:39 -0400
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The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is designed to 
be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no?

Dante

On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:

> The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the
> Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open
> on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here:
> http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html.  The
> 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat
> field.  H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here
> prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the
> corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9
> which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less
> apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners.  A nice
> display of the compromises optical design includes.
> 
> The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some
> ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the
> floating element, but it's still pretty formidable.  On the M8 I
> prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even
> if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens.  After
> Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up
> and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90
> ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest.
> 
> Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!):
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.html
> Nikkor 28: 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html
> 
> Marty
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> 
> wrote:
>> Where are you coming from Mark?
>> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality??
>> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x 
>> 36mm???
>> 
>> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is.....
>> 
>> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a 28mm 
>> lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more used 
>> focal length than 28mm is for FF.
>> 
>> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making things 
>> up.
>> 
>> john
>> ________________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its standards 
>> on
>> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH ideal for
>> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now being
>> sold new for just over four grand $.
>> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has stated
>> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film M.
>> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than
>> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm 
>> image
>> crop circle....
>> The 28 Summicron is  a gem and at the top of my list for my next Leica 
>> lens.
>> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think we're 
>> going
>> to find documented elsewise.
>> 
>> 
>> - - from my iRabs.
>> Mark Rabiner
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
>>> 
>>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the M9.....
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2 
>>> years.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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