Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/26

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Meli
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:41:58 -0400
References: <CA+yJO1ASKioWADSnZeW3RmcfhZygLUzJ3GW4n1sXFw-N58_BeQ@mail.gmail.com> <CFF72052-606C-497A-8CFD-4981536674FA@me.com> <CA+yJO1ARaMTHvcC-DHdR80oJ7JTOVgcWAoZz7LxNi1vG+SgNdg@mail.gmail.com> <D810265D-07DB-4A8B-8188-63756CEA1BA5@me.com> <CA+yJO1AKbzz-dGue=z+VOWhMMjJ8QvNuG1ABEZX3GtBpOfxpBA@mail.gmail.com> <BAFEDEB2-31CF-4487-827B-7E9240B4B0CF@me.com>

I HATE "Lifestyle" stock!  It's so fake.

Tina

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> wrote:

> I just wonder when the agencies will realise the images they are getting
> are so staged as to be unreal.
>
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Walden
> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> +44 (0)797 287 7932
> www.gwpics.com
>
> On 26 May 2012, at 13:07, Tina Manley wrote:
>
> > I agree 100%, Gerry.  I needed the releases to use the photos for
> > fund-raising and the people understood that.  Since I stay with the
> > families for about a week, one release covers hundreds of photos.  Of
> > course I told them what the release said and what it meant to sign it.
>  It
> > also gave me a way of keeping track of who is who so I can take the
> photos
> > back to them later.  I'm sure Getty would not accept the releases I have
> > but that's not a problem because I would never sell through Getty anyway!
> >
> > I agree the industry requirements are ridiculous but it's only going to
> get
> > worse in the future!  I doubt we'll be able to use any photos featuring
> > real people.  They will all be computer generated!
> >
> > Tina
> >
> > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for the pretty full answer
> >>
> >> Please do not take this in any way as a personal criticism, but you have
> >> highlighted a point that I have felt so long about the whole model
> release
> >> 'thing' which I have felt for a very long time. Most, if not all,
> agencies
> >> now require releases for any image that shows a person no matter how
> >> nebulous. You have a release for the person in a language they do not
> >> understand with a signature which means nothing because it is merely a
> >> mark. Is there any value to that release at all?
> >>
> >> As I said, this is not a criticism of you in any way, but more of the
> >> industry and the stupidity of its requirements where a release is now
> >> required for a crowd scene which may contain several hundred people, and
> >> for what. There is virtually no chance that those people would take
> action
> >> in court for damages, and even less chance that they would win. As
> >> photographers we have to pander to the stupidity of their requirements
> or
> >> they will not use our images.
> >>
> >> Rant over!
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >> Gerry Walden
> >> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> >> +44 (0)797 287 7932
> >> www.gwpics.com
> >>
> >> On 25 May 2012, at 22:37, Tina Manley wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, such as they are!  I have pocket releases in Spanish sometimes
> >> signed
> >>> with an X but I have everybody's name.  Most adults cannot read and
> write
> >>> in any language and the ones from the Mosquito Coast speak a variety of
> >>> languages.  Usually, I find a child in the family who can read and
> she/he
> >>> writes down all of the names and ages for me and then I can match the
> >> names
> >>> to the photos.  Everybody signs a pocket release and I have them all
> >> filed
> >>> by year.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Gerry.
> >>>
> >>> Tina
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I love the intimacy and simplicity of this image Tina.
> >>>>
> >>>> As a matter of interest, did you get releases for all this work?
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerry
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerry Walden
> >>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> >>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
> >>>> www.gwpics.com
> >>>>
> >>>> On 25 May 2012, at 20:56, Tina Manley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> PESO:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you hadn't guessed already, I'm scanning slides of Honduran
> children
> >>>>> (61949) and it's way too hot to work outside today!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's one more:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/image/143566316
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The ones I'm scanning now are a mixture of color negative (Fujicolor
> >>>> 800),
> >>>>> color slides (Astia or Provia, usually), and B&W negatives (TMax or
> >>>> Tri-X).
> >>>>> All processed in LR4.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> C&C greatly appreciated
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
> >>>>> www.tinamanley.com
> >>>>>
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> >>>
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> >
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> >
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-- 
Tina Manley, ASMP
www.tinamanley.com


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