Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I assume you mean using the Leica glass on the canon camera? As glass is a big issue too. And from what hear Leica glass on canon cameras are no picnic. For some reason it works better with Nikons. - - from my iRabs. Mark Rabiner http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > From: Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:56:06 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Endgadget on the MM > > Mark - I'm just going by what I see when I use both. I have a Canon 5D > and 1DMII with CMOS sensors and Leica M9 and M8 and DMR with CCD sensors. > When I look at the photos at 100%, I like the fine detail that I get with > CCD. It could have something to do with the lenses, but I believe the > sensors are to blame or credit for a good bit of the detail. If I had to > give up high ISO performance to get fine detail, I would do it - and have. > It looks like that choice won't be required with the MM. > > Tina > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > >> Tina I don't believe that you and I and others on the LUG really know what >> it really means to be shooting with a CCD (charge coupled device) or a >> CMOS >> (complementary metal oxide semiconductor) image sensor unless we happen to >> be electronic computer engineers which few of us are. >> I'm just not buying it the people preferring the look of one over the >> other. >> Its the emperors new clothes. We pretend we are seeing things we really >> can't. >> All we really know is how it effects our shooting. >> We are living in a world in which we are competing against photographers >> who >> can shoot at 5 EV's higher then we so far can. (M9 shooters vs. >> Canon/Nikon >> DSLR shooters) >> They are getting depth of friend and capturing action in the dark; >> While we are shooting wide open and hoping nobody moves. >> >> I think the M9 shooters who are able to upgrade to the new M9 Polychrome >> will be happy as clams. There is no downside. The upgrade will for sure be >> UP. >> We need to trust Leica for having some real intelligence and integrity. >> If they find a different nature of image sensor to be preferable then they >> proably know what they are talking about. They are in the camera business >> As are the 99.99% of photographers who are shooting the CMOS sensors as we >> speak. Hitting deadlines. ...Seeing their results on the web and printed >> media around the world. >> >> >> http://www.teledynedalsa.com/corp/markets/ccd_vs_cmos.aspx >> - - from my iRabs. >> Mark Rabiner >> >> >>> From: Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:22:35 -0400 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Endgadget on the MM >>> >>> I am one. I want to be able to take B&W photos with my Leica digital >>> camera that equal those I shot with B&W film. The M9 is wonderful, but >> the >>> high ISOs leave a lot to be desired. I could push TMax 400 to 800 or >> even >>> use TMax 3200 and still get acceptable negatives. I can't get acceptable >>> photos from the M9 at 3200 ISO. It's marginal at 800. If the Leica MM >>> delivers B&W photos that have shadow detail without excessive noise at >> 3200 >>> or even 1600, it will be well worth the price to me. I'm looking forward >>> to more dynamic range and lots of fine detail at higher ISOs. The DNGs >>> posted show this is possible with the MM. >>> >>> I don't want a CMOS sensor. I've already compared the two and much >> prefer >>> what I get from CCD. Why would I want anything that is already available >>> with the Canon I have and hate? >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>> What's on my mind is the people who would buy the Leica M9 Monochrom >> would >>>> be who? >>>> What's on my mind is the state of black and white image making after a >>>> decade of people shooting digital many of them like myself who were >> black >>>> and white specialists in film didn't feel the urge to specialize in >> black >>>> and white in digital. >>>> >>>> With Erwin mentioning stuff like the new sensor on the M9 will be CMOS >> it >>>> appears that the way long overdue sensor for the M9 is not a permeant >>>> invisible dream.: >>>> "This intention has been stated several times by high-ranking Leica >>>> officials and during the Berlin interview sessions Mr. Kaufmann made >> hardly >>>> disguised remarks in this direction." >>>> >>>> So a new sensor competitive with the best from Canon and Nikon is not a >> fig >>>> Newton of someone else's imagination. >>>> Its history which just hasn't gotten around to happening yet. >>>> >>>> You can have that kind of power ahead of time if you can get an M9 >>>> Monochrom. >>>> And feel what its like to shoot like you did in the 1990's. >>>> When filters meant something. >>>> If I was a few notches higher in the dead presidents deparment I'd >>>> certainly >>>> get one. >>>> But if I had the cash in pocket I'd let it sit and fester till the M9 >> goes >>>> CMOS. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>> Mark Rabiner >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tina Manley, ASMP >>> www.tinamanley.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > > > -- > Tina Manley, ASMP > www.tinamanley.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information