[Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints

[john at chiaroscuro.co.nz (John McMaster)]

Site just says " New Site by SEES.US" to me....

john

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www.digitalsilver.com

They do fantastic work - everything from quicky RC prints to custom, toned
if it's what you want, dw mat air-dried prints. I just had a digital image
printed and framed for a former student and friend's 60th. 
Typed with big fingers on tiny keys

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I have recently scanned in some 6x6 negs that I still have selenium toned
Oriental Seagull prints of, will compare sometime soon.......

john

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I really was hoping that the look would be on par. May be digital negatives
would produce better output than the Durst Theta, but I sort of doubt it
now.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:26 PM, John McMaster
<john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>wrote:

> Well it has been 15 years since I have had a new silver gelatin print 
> :-(
>
> john
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I meant the death..for me, obviously not for the billion other people 
> still printing in the dark room.
> On Jun 19, 2012 11:13 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>
> > The real point being the process has not died just becuae somebody
> prefers
> > it over another and its tasteless to have it be a thread name. I 
> > feel
> like
> > I'm an idiot contributing to it.
> >
> > - - from my iRabs.
> > Mark Rabiner
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> >
> >
> > > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:07:17 -0400
> > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
> > >
> > > I was an Ilford Multigrade fan not the warm or the cool and I'd 
> > > use the
> > RC
> > > for my proof sheets and an occasional work print. I think its 
> > > possible
> > they
> > > still make the stuff. I saw a bunch of it at B&H not that many 
> > > months
> > ago.
> > > Somebody bought Ilford but the typeface is the same.
> > >
> > > - - from my iRabs.
> > > Mark Rabiner
> > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
> > >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > >> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:01:50 +1200
> > >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
> > >>
> > >> To me there is nothing like the range of papers out there 
> > >> compared to
> a
> > few
> > >> years back. I preferred Oriental Seagull over Galerie gloss (I 
> > >> liked
> the
> > >> matt), no Agfa warm tone (or cold for that matter) etc etc.
> > >>
> > >> john
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >>
> > >> I missed the part on how the silver gelatin prints died.
> > >>
> > >> - - from my iRabs.
> > >> Mark Rabiner
> > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Oh, and the gloss is less "annoying." The Z has a gloss 
> > >>> optimizer which really helps here, I think.
> > >>>
> > >>> Although I have to say, there is something about that pure black 
> > >>> in the silver print that has a lot of appeal. Just slightly more 
> > >>> appealing in that case...
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Man
> > >>> <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Quite a bit sharper (this is from the same file of course), 
> > >>>> better noise in the shadow and generally more contrast (macro 
> > >>>> and micro ?)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Just curious, better how?  More gloss, blacker blacks?
> > >>>>> etc.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Montie
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Overblown sensational title? Surely you jest? :-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yes, a tad.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yes, I went for the premium option, even with Selenium toning 
> > >>>>> (50% more $).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It's quite superb, just that Z+ Gloss Baryta is better. I was
> hoping
> > >>>>> they would be equal.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Montie 
> > >>>>> <montoid at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> It's a Durst Theta 51. Was your image uploaded via Roes for 
> > >>>>>> their value RC print?  Not Great.  Try their custom printing 
> > >>>>>> on Ilfobrom Galerie Fiber (Baryta based) Semi Gloss...Superb, 
> > >>>>>> assuming the
> file
> > >>>>>> is good in the first place.  300 dpi or better etc. Your 
> > >>>>>> subject title may be a tad overblown?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Montie
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Folks might remember that I tried doing digital negative
before.
> > >>>>>>>> In
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> end, unsuccessfully because my HP Z3100 is just not good for 
> > >>>>>> that particular type of task (digital negative for silver 
> > >>>>>> contact
> prints
> > >>>>>> - apparently, it works great for digital negatives with
> alternative
> > >>>>> process).
> > >>>>>> Eventually when I have to replace the Z3100, I will probably 
> > >>>>>> get
> an
> > >>>>> Epson
> > >>>>>> and try the experiment again.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Meanwhile, since I have to make some 17x22 prints for a 
> > >>>>>> couple gallery shows, I got a 8x10 sample print from Digital 
> > >>>>>> Silver where you upload
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> digital file and they print it using some sort of LED laser 
> > >>>>>> and then processed in wet chemical.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I make the same print on the Z. Comparing to the Z3100 
> > >>>>>> printing on Gloss Baryta, it's no comparison, the inkjet 
> > >>>>>> print looks better in
> > >> every way.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> So Z+Gloss Baryta it is.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> > >>>>>