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Subject: [Leica] IMG: First Intercontinental LUG gathering in Barcelona News - MARK & DANIEL
From: frank.dernie at btinternet.com (FRANK DERNIE)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 19:38:38 +0100 (BST)
References: <002201cd5ce8$b742f880$25c8e980$@chiaroscuro.co.nz> <CC1F41C0.20C8A%mark@rabinergroup.com>

I wonder how many samples of each lens he has tested. To get a statistically 
valid evaluation of sample variation would probably require hundreds to be 
tested.
I find Ken Rockwell to be a bit of a self-important plonker myself.
FD



>________________________________
> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> 
>Sent: Sunday, 8 July 2012, 18:55
>Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: First Intercontinental LUG gathering in Barcelona 
>News - MARK & DANIEL
> 
>Rockwell has it all laid out here and he certainly agrees with you on
>previous versions.
>http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/24120vr.htm
>He says its the worse lens ever made in the history of the modern universe.
>That's the Nikon 24-120mm VR? AF-S NIKKOR f/3.5-5.6
>I see no discussion on good versions. And I though he was my source on that.
>Thom and Moose agree with him with a tad less venomousness.
>But that's the earlier versions:
>
>Rockwell says:
>The new Nikon 24-120mm f/4 VR is a great lens. It is worlds sharper than its
>predecessor, the fuzzy 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S VR (2003-2010). Both these
>24-120 AF-S VR lenses are much better ergonomically than their predecessor,
>the clunky 24-120mm AF-D (1996-2002). All three Nikon 24-120mm lenses are
>loaded with distortion.
>http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/24-120mm.htm
>
>So lets not put all our 24-120's in the same pot.
>The VR is supposed to work great.
>I would kill for this lenes.... Slay dragons.
>What you couldn't shoot with this lens and a D800 is not worth mentioning.
>But again it's twice the weight and bulk than I like to have one me every
>day. It's ok for a specific shoot when I'm going somewhere for a specific
>shot.
>
>
>
>
>- - from my iRabs.
>Mark Rabiner
>http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>
>
>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 21:04:43 +1200
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: First Intercontinental LUG gathering in 
>> Barcelona
>> News - MARK & DANIEL
>> 
>> Really? The f3.5-5.6 VR was what I had and didn't change from 2003-2010. 
>> The
>> current f4.0 also has variable quality from what I have read........
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> Every year that lens was re designed. Its real hard to know you're 
>> shooting
>> with the same 24 to 120. Right now the version out is supposed to be quite
>> good and I'd love to be shooting with it. Its just a tad big and heavy.
>> 
>> - - from my iRabs.
>> Mark Rabiner
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> 
>>> 
>>> Amazing, I had that lens in D100/300 and nothing like that came out,
>>> lens variation on improving on FF?
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> Mark : mine is the cheapest lens you can get 24-120 first version 3.5
>>> shot fully open - it is the lens no-one wants to buy from Ebay -
>>> available for less than $100 :-)
>>> 
>>> Now, I would like to get a copy of the snap SHE took of me - or is it us?
>>> unsure though as she had a 50mm on.
>>> 
>>> I may have shot with one hand - don't remember, as I was lugging my
>>> suitcase along - Daniel might remember this, it all went too quickly.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> Philippe
>>> 
>>> Le 8 juil. 12 ? 09:16, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
>>> 
>>>> Was this shot with the 24 1.4 Nikkor?
>>>> Sure is sharp as a sun of a gun. And at a 30th.
>>>> But looks stopped down one or two.
>>>> 
>>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>>> Mark Rabiner
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 21:58:46 -0500
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: First Intercontinental LUG gathering
>>>>> inBarcelona News - MARK & DANIEL
>>>>> 
>>>>> On my screen, there appears to be a tab at approx the 11 o'clock
>>>>> position in your photo.? She is apparently holding on to the
>>>>> focusing tab, so I would suspect that the filter is a polarizer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "philippe.amard" <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: First Intercontinental LUG gathering
>>>>> inBarcelona News - MARK & DANIEL
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for your support Daniel, I hope you had a nice return trip
>>>>>> back home.
>>>>>> I was really happy to meet you and will remember last couple of
>>>>>> beers? on the square as a privilged moment in my life :-) To be
>>>>>> renewed where and when we can.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark, have a look here, click large.
>>>>>> I DK about the filter, sorry, we didn't even talk to her apart from
>>>>>> asking permission... could be qualified as a missed opportunity
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/LUG+in+Barcelona/La+Boque
>>>>>> r
>>>>>> ia-M9-Sen
>>>>>> iorita-Sushi-8874.jpg.html
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d4bwvgj
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Amiti?s
>>>>>> Philippe, editing today's celebrations snaps
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 7 juil. 12 ? 20:48, Daniel Ridings a ?crit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It was an M9. Pity she covered up the model number. I too saw the
>>>>>>> filter. Don't really know what it was.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Mark Rabiner
>>>>>>> <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are you sure it wasn't an M8 I thought I saw a dark grey flat
>>>>>>>> filter on the lens? Maybe it was a polarizer?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>>>>>>> Mark Rabiner
>>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:19:40 +0200
>>>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: First Intercontinental LUG gathering
>>>>>>>>> in Barcelona News - STEVE
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> no need to ask my friend, they're part of the global emotional
>>>>>>>>> assets of the LUG community :-) Just if you could rename the
>>>>>>>>> first one as: "The other room 31", details will surface in the
>>>>>>>>> course of time... and the story told again and again over the
>>>>>>>>> years ;-) I think you know the guys'
>>>>>>>>> names :-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Other than that, the lady was obviously an M9 user, we actually
>>>>>>>>> caught her in the act of shooting, but will remain unknown
>>>>>>>>> forever, unless ...
>>>>>>>>> I had asked her permission though, with Daniel as a witness.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Wish you'd been able to make it too, really.
>>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Amiti?s de Metz
>>>>>>>>> Philippe
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Le 7 juil. 12 ? 16:51, Steve Barbour a ?crit :
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Jean-Michel Mertz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the pictures, Philippe, they are packed with life
>>>>>>>>>>> and wit, and one can easily listen to the laughter! I think
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll make it to Barcelona next time, this place is a must for
>>>>>>>>>>> Luggers!
>>>>>>>>>>> Jean-
>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 00:12:59 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: lug at leica-users.org; leicareflex at freelists.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] IMG: First Intercontinental LUG gathering in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Barcelona News
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi? all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm back from Barcelona tonight, where Ted, Lluis, Geoff &
>>>>>>>>>>>> lovely family, Daniel and Nathan still are, and I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> selected three takes from today that may give you an idea of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the marvellous atmosphere there. This gathering was pure
>>>>>>>>>>>> magic for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Special
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to Brian without whom this would never have happened.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No stacks from me though be patient they will follow from
>>>>>>>>>>>> "the crew", but you may nonetheless enjoy these in the meantime.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> My first encounter with Doctor Ted, magic!
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/cleubbr
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted as a Christmas Tree
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7asd66o
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> And Daniel and I had been very lucky earlier this morning
>>>>>>>>>>>> when we encountered the best of both worlds on the market.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ct3xpeb
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Xtra special thanks to the crew too.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Renewed hugs to "the Hoppies".
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bien cordialement de Mutz
>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippe, a little knackered after a short night and finding
>>>>>>>>>>>> his car wouldn't start at the airport tonight, but German
>>>>>>>>>>>> tows work wonders ...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I would love to use these wonderful images Philippe, in our
>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Gallery, if I may...please...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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