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Subject: [Leica] Times Photographer Is Arrested on Assignment in NY Dr. Ted reply!
From: kanner at acm.org (Herbert Kanner)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:43:37 -0700
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Thanks, Ted.

Herbert Kanner
kanner at acm.org
650-326-8204

Question authority and the authorities will question you.



On Aug 9, 2012, at 10:01 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Herbert Kanner OFFERED:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Times Photographer Is Arrested on Assignment in NY
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>> This is really a reply to Dr. Ted's post re going to a longer lens. He is 
>> forgetting a law of nature, first formalized by a man named Murphy, which 
>> in this case says that if you step back and lengthen the lens, a phalanx 
>> of warm bodies will come between you and what you are trying to shoot.
> 
> Hi Herbert,
> My dear friend! You are correct! :-) ..... HOWEVER not completely so! :-)
> 
> I just didn't give all the details when one makes a long lens move as I 
> partially explained! :-)
> 
> In the case of this.... "probably flashing in the officers faces after 
> being asked to stop?" my final details may not have worked, it being some 
> time past 10 in the evening.  ERGO: dark! Obviously requiring flash light? 
> Or common sense and back off as requested. Obviously the "flashing photog" 
> did not do so. ERGO? He got arrested! When he probably had a reasonable 
> image of a nothing fracas in any event? AND HE BECAME THE STORY! Instead 
> of the "real story!" Plain stupidity!
> 
> Quite frankly from what was written... not by crew members! But in the 
> news paper story. It seems the photog didn't stop. Instead of using his 
> brain, he continued to flash & annoy. One would almost think he's just the 
> type that gives all of us, as an ex. newspaper photographer I can say 
> this.. ... "A BAD NAME!" But then has anyone seen further details on this 
> story indicating exactly what happened?
> 
> Now back to explain what one does in using a long lens... 300 or so! :-) 
> All the details help don't they? :-) Obviously the situation requires 
> "DAYLIGHT AND HEIGHT!" :) Sorry I left that out! :-)
> 
> Police tell you to move or leave or stop? Your response quickly is... "Yes 
> Sir!" And you are out of there fast before another shooter does the same 
> thing. "LOOKING FOR HIGH GROUND! Or building to get a floor or two looking 
> down on the scene.... and over the heads of the closing ranks of!"
> 
>>>>> a phalanx of warm bodies will come between you and what you are trying 
>>>>> to shoot.<<<<
> 
> If you've used this trick a few times or many? 99.9% of the time you come 
> away with some very story telling photos because you've gone to the "High 
> Ground"  while others miss standing about trying to shoot through 
> the:........... as you explain quite correctly!
> 
> >>>a phalanx of warm bodies will come between you and what you are trying 
> >>>to shoot.<<<<
> 
> If the police tell or ask you to get back they do it for possibly more 
> reasons than you are aware of?
> 1/ The shooter is a pain in the ass trying to get closer? ERGO? Putting 
> himself in jeopardy. Or others?
> 2/ There might be a danger of an explosion? Cop trying to maybe save your 
> life? But you don't know?
> 3/ Ambulances maybe arriving requiring all the open space they can get?
> 4/ THIS LIST COULD GO ON ??????????
> 
> Yes I admit I've run into cops who were a pain in the ass for no obvious 
> reason. By the same token I've worked with and moved as asked simply 
> because "he has been given orders to clear everyone out of here that you 
> have no idea what that might be?"   So move! Why stand and argue and end 
> up on the back seat of a cruiser? And NO pictures?"
> 
> There are surely two sides to this "Flashing photog and arrest?" And I 
> don't believe we know them?
> 
> Given I've way too many years covering in city and out situations with 
> dozens of police and firemen, I figure they're doing their job and I don't 
> need to be a pain in the ass simply because? "I'm a so called privileged 
> member of the media....... "WHICH REALLY IS A CROCK OF CRAP!"
> 
> Just quickly go look for the high ground, get pictures and "FRONT PAGE 
> WITH A CREDITLINE!" KISS!
> Regardless of what some folks may think, "It's much easier to keep it 
> "KISS SIMPLE!" Than being a pain in the ass and no pictures!  Common sense 
> attitude is all it takes! Then you use your eyes for what you have them 
> for! "SEEING AND SHOOTING INTERESTING PHOTOGRAPHS!" Front page is always a 
> nice tribute to your ability to see and shoot neat photos!
> 
> cheers,
> Dr. ted :-)
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