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Subject: [Leica] Leica MM and M9 Comparison
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 14:56:49 -0400

Or buy using a Monochrom ink set I've used MIS versions.  And our new Lug
member Paul Roark makes a carbon version which is known to be the state of
the art standard of the industry. If you were a serious collector or museum
or gallery that's what you'd want.
And its what I want when I make a nice print of my mom to put on my wall
here.

Black and white print making today more than competes with darkroom work. It
resembles a silver print combined with a platinum print. The blacks give
Amidol with Agfa Brovira #6 a run for its money.

Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 22:57:50 +0530
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica MM and M9 Comparison
> 
> You can avoid the colour ink by using a RIP like Imageprint.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Henning Wulff <henningw at 
> archiphoto.com>wrote:
> 
>> Erwin has this statement here:
>> 
>> "The Monochrom produces absolutely neutral monochrome tones. The separate
>> RGB values are identical when looked at in a post processing program. When
>> you take a M9 image file and transfer it to black and white there is 
>> always
>> a slight color cast. It is well-known that even the Epson 3800, when set 
>> to
>> bw-printing, will add slight amounts of color ink. One can safely claim
>> that the Monochrom is the only digital 35 mm camera that delivers pure
>> neutral tones, identical to the ones you get when using silver-halide
>> emulsions."
>> 
>> If you take an M9 file, do whatever channel mixing suits you or what
>> Silver EFEX produces, and then change the file to a 16bit monochrome file,
>> there is no more RGB information and the M9 file winds up being as  
>> neutral
>> as the MM file. I don't know what he's thinking in that sentence. He must
>> be talking about files straight from the camera.
>> 
>> The other stuff is fairly clear and seems straighforward.
>> 
>> I would add that beyond the added detail and the better ISO/noise
>> relationship the separation of tones is much better in the MM files. In
>> fact, in normal shooting (not extreme enlargement or ISO) I would say that
>> is the main advantage of the files in my estimation.
>> 
>> And as Tina mentioned, the psychological mindset that comes with knowing
>> that the camera can produce nothing except fine B&W files.
>> 
>> Henning
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012-09-03, at 3:09 AM, A. Lal wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-8/M%20Monochrom.htmlhttp://www.im
>> x.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-8/M%20Monochrom.html
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> Henning Wulff
>> henningw at archiphoto.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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