Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]A normal 28-80 zoom is not likely to replace an ultra wide zoom. Yes the 16-35 translates directly and the 14 to 24 is an ultra ultra wide zoom. A totally different beast. The AF-S NIKKOR 16-35mm f/4G ED VR sure seems to be a honey of a lens at the expense of Bering quite heavy and large. Its high on my list. I think its the kind of lens you put it on your camera and you bring home the shot. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:48:26 -0800 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E the cheap nikon 28-80 > > I'll look into that one. My main concern is replacing my DX 10-24 with > something comparable. That lens is really pretty good. Much better than > my > father-in-law's 12-24 and much better than the Tokina 12-24 I had for my > Canon. And it is light, to boot. Corner performance is really quite good. > I have nothing Leica to compare it to in that focal range, other than the > 24/2.8R I have not converted to Nikon mount. > > My possible choice is the 16-35/4 Nikon. I don't want the 14-24/2.8 Nikon. > I want to be able to use filters and not have that massive lens exposed to > the elements all the time. Too much money to risk that. That said, it > seems like all the zooms I read about talk about the horrendous distortions > they have. They do say it is correctable in software, but I guess I am > spoiled by my Leica and before that by Zeiss glass. Why spend well over > $1K > for a lens that has this distortion and has to be corrected with software? > And when you do correct, the sharpness does suffer as you stretch and > massage pixels into their correct position. > > Aram > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Rabiner > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 12:42 PM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E the cheap nikon 28-80 > > For two solid weeks I've been shooting with a normal zoom nikon kit lens of > the pervious film fueled decade. > The Nikon 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6G > > On my D700 > > Straight from the dark side: > http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28-80mm-g.htm > > " The Nikon 28-80mm G is a dinky 7-ounce (190g) plastic zoom with > incredibly > good performance." > " Incredible means unbelievable. The performance of this lens is so good > that no one will believe it possibly can come from a lens this cheap." > > Cheap means 50 bucks. > > " The Nikkor 28-80mm G is one of Nikon's most popular lenses of all time. > Nikon made over a million and a half of these, so you will find them > everywhere. Mine came attached to an N55." > > I bought an N55 so I could get this lens. I used the camera once. > > " The front element is a compound aspherical. This means Nikon glues a thin > plastic corrector over another spherical glass element, giving the > performance of an aspherical lens at a low price" > > > > > > > > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > >> From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:55:32 -0800 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >> >> That's what I have gathered. But as you say, expensive, and indeed heavy. >> One of my prime considerations for lens choice is weight, as I hike all >> over >> with them. They could be with me for 10 hours in a day. I thought the >> 35/70 was heavy at one time, but nothing compared to my current Nikon >> 24-120/4 I bought at the last minute to substitute for the 35/70 when I >> dropped it and broke it a few weeks before a two month trip, so I needed >> something. the 24/120 was lighter and smaller than the 24-70/2.8 >> >> Aram >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <grduprey at mchsi.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:54 PM >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >> >>> Aram, >>> >>> I will try to do it this weekend. However, I can tell you the 24/70 f2.8 >>> is a real gem of a lens. Fast focussing, quiet and sharp. Also >>> expensive. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Gene >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:01:21 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >>> >>> Would love to see the 35/70 R vs the 24/70 N. I am considering the D600, >>> but will have to replace my Nikon DX 10-24 with something. In looking at >>> what Nikon has to offer for FF in that range, I cringe at every review >>> when >>> they talk about the massive amount of distortion, or the edge >>> performance. >>> That seems to be universal for zooms with Nikon and Canon and xxxx. But >>> I >>> have never noticed much with the 35/70 R. But have never done any >>> objective >>> tests. Hope you have the time to make this comparison. >>> >>> Aram >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: grduprey at mchsi.com >>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:50 PM >>> To: Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >>> >>> Frank, >>> >>> No I have not seen any comparisons of the DMR and D800E. Can't comment >>> on >>> the D800, but I do have a D4, and just off the top, the DMR does a fair >>> job >>> against the D4 for an 8? year old design. Although I have not made a >>> side >>> by side comparison of images. The D4 kills the DMR when it comes to high >>> ISO, and kills just about anything else in that category. The D4 is very >>> waterproof, from recent experience, where the DMR may not be as good, as >>> I >>> keep it out of the rain when I am not shooting, but it has not had any >>> glitches when it did get wet, but I worry about the motor to camera >>> interface not being too water tight. They are both heavy, pretty close >>> actually, the DMR on the R8 is a bit shorter than the D4. Turn on is >>> much >>> slower with the DMR, and so is write speed. The buffer on the DMR is >>> very >>> small, where the D4 buffer is vast and you can shoot rapidly with no >>> problem >>> of the camera slowing down (great for bird in flight photos), although i >>> would bet Doug would out do it with the DMR and a single click ;). The >>> R8DMR is a bit quieter, noise wise, but the D4 beats the D800 or D700 by >>> light years in this area. I prefer the simplicity of the DMR controls >>> over >>> those of the D4, although the D4 controls are well laid out, when >>> compared >>> to earlier Nikon DSLRs, and definitely better than Canon DSLRs. You can >>> get >>> D4 batteries, where the DMR batteries are rarer than Hen's Teeth, and >>> must >>> be rebuilt or use an external source if you cannot get them rebuilt. The >>> charge also lasts way longer than the DMR's batteries, although they are >>> not >>> cheap by any measure. The auto focus on the D4 is simply AMAZING! It >>> locks >>> on very fast and no hunting at all, even in low light, MF with the D4 and >>> older MF Nikkors is very good also, as it has a bright view finder (but >>> not >>> as quite as bright as the R8 I think). MF on the DMR is getting a bit >>> slow >>> with my 64 year old eyes, but still works good in most light levels. >>> Build >>> for both is excellent, but would give the D4 a bit of a nod here, due to >>> the >>> previously mentioned motor to camera body interface of the DMR. I will >>> go >>> out this weekend and do a side by side image test of the two, probably >>> with >>> the 180/2.8 MF Nikkor, and the 180/3.4 R APO lenses (Similar vintage >>> lenses), don't have any other similar lenses to compare. But could do a >>> comparison of my 35~70R zoom and my 24~70 AF-S Nikkor zoom. Any thing I >>> have not covered, that you would like to know? >>> >>> CHEERS, >>> Gene >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:22:20 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>> Subject: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >>> >>> Has anyone seen a comparison of the DMR and the Nikon D800E? Using Leica >>> glass, of course. >>> >>> >>> >>> Frank Filippone >>> >>> Red735i at verizon.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information