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Subject: [Leica] Color vs B&W
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:39:33 -0800
References: <CCEE9878.27BFA%mark@rabinergroup.com>

On Dec 12, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> " A caricature is a portrait that exaggerates or distorts the essence of a
> person, animal or object to create an easily identifiable visual likeness. 
> "




that's hardly the essence of a good portrait, in bw or color.


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> Mark William Rabiner
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> 
>> From: Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:35:49 -0500
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Color vs B&W
>> 
>> When you choose to do a black and white version of what someone looks 
>> like,
>> and you decide to throw away all color information because it is not 
>> important
>> to YOU,
>> you have simplified what that person is
>> it is a caricature
>> 
>> a good caricature can tell you much about an individual, but is not
>> necessarily better for the purpose
>> 
>> Emanuel's first post was NOT to say that color was superior--nor are any 
>> of my
>> comments meant that way.
>> 
>> What I was saying is that I tire of the idea held by some that black and 
>> white
>> is naturally superior.
>> I believe that is wrong--we can talk all day about why we prefer one or 
>> the
>> other--there are lots of reasons to find--the period of my upbringing and 
>> my
>> budget when I was learning photography for instance
>> 
>> prefer which ever you like, just do not tell me that your (collective not
>> personal) opinion is an innate fact of life
>> 
>> I love my world in color--I like both you color and B&W pictures
>> 
>> maybe I'm just dogma averse
>> 
>> ric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Caricature?  So any photos made before color film was available are
>>> caricatures?  I don't get that.
>>> 
>>> I love B&W photography.  It *sometimes** *turns a snapshot into art by
>>> reducing the content to form and composition which could be a type of
>>> caricature but not under the usual definition of oversimplification or
>>> satirical content.   Unless the photo is flowers, sunsets, sports, or
>>> wildlife, I almost always prefer B&W over color.  Would Salgado's photos 
>>> be
>>> as effective in color?  He is photographing currently and has the 
>>> choice. I
>>> guess we are all different and have different opinions!
>>> 
>>> Standing up for B&W here, surprised to have to do that on a Leica list!
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> and turning them into B&W caricature shows them how the photographer
>>>> thinks they are
>>>> 
>>>> ric
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> how is that NOT how they are?
>>>>> 
>>>>> it seems to me precisely how they are
>>>>> 
>>>>> ric
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
>>>>> gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> occurs to me this concerns how they want to be seen, not how they are.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>> 
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