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Subject: [Leica] any Sony RX 1 users
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:15:36 -0500

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On 2/13/13 12:58 PM, "Mark William Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> You could read the reviews and see if you're finding focusing issues. I 
> have
> and have not found that. And I think Sony has made one or two cameras in 
> the
> past years and I think they've figured out the focusing thing by now.
> I'm guessing the camera just works. You point it at something click the
> clicker and it takes a picture. That's what the three reviews seem to
> indicate.
> Google it.
> 
> 
> On 2/13/13 12:35 PM, "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> So this  the same thing as my Contax G2 that I sold years ago. It was my
>> most loved and hated camera: fantastic lenses, I mean the best lenses I 
>> have
>> ever owned in any format or film size. Totally unreliable AF, where the AF
>> point was  hard to locate. Guesss I'm out there, too.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: FRANK DERNIE
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:55 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] any Sony RX 1 users
>> 
>> No viewfinder, autofocus impossible to judge when using an add-on optical
>> viewfinder (I would be)?
>> Completely useless to me, however good the results in a review taking test
>> charts.
>> Shan't be getting one.
>> Frank D.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 4:40
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] any Sony RX 1 users
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> I agree. We will have to keep looking for revues! That should clear the
>>> problem up without a doubt! I presume a rave revue is a revue with drugs
>>> and a Sony RX-1? (-:
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 13-Feb-2013, at 8:53 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Pauls opinion is of course to be taken seriously.
>>>> It is of course. One opinion
>>>> One can easily check out other revues which are out.
>>>> None of them are bad. I read or two or three long others.
>>>> the luminous landscape one is very intensive. And super good.
>>>> In a month there will be a dozen. We'll see if any of them are bad.
>>>> But if one opinion decides the issue for you; you'll not be interested 
>>>> in
>>>> any of them.
>>>> I think we'll be seeing people out using this camera. And we'll be 
>>>> seeing
>>>> their work. So it won't be an issue of complied rave revues.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/12/13 8:24 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, and if we can trust anyone, it would be Paul's.
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2013 5:06 PM, "Marty Deveney" <benedenia at gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> But the lens isn't very good, which is particularly problematic in a
>>>>>> fixed lens camera.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marty
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
>>>>>> rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> All this talk about flash this and flash that.
>>>>>>> This is a full frame camera which can be used easily at iso 64,000 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> beyond just like a 3 pound full frame DSLR flagship camera can be. 
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> go in your pocket.
>>>>>>> And just like a Rollei 35. Which few used with flash.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Its the beginning of full frame compact options for those who want 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> quality that full frame brings you and are willing to pay a bit extra
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> They 're not going to have to pay THAT much for it as this is also
>>>>>> obviously
>>>>>>> a premium placed camera. The ostentatious lens and ultra solid build
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>> it so. Plenty of full frame compact options will be had soon made of
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> traditional plastic and with a safe mindless zoom designed to appeal
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> masses. It won't really cost this much to have full frame fit in your
>>>>>>> pocket.
>>>>>>> It will be under two grand not under three. USD.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sony is a company I trust more than any other electronics company.
>>>>>>> They seldom blow it. If that's the case now its a darned shame but I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think its going to slow up the reality of a full  frame compact
>>>>>>> market.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To me it makes the full frame compact solution really serious. 
>>>>>>> Instead
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> just pretending to me. A full frame compact camera would really be a
>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>> picture taking solution to be embraced by top pros and very serious
>>>>>>> amateurs. The 1.5 crop and 2x crop would like to be but they are not.
>>>>>>> We are all just too familiar with what a full frame digital sensor 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>> to our work. And many of us are willing to drag one around to get
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> when its compact that's a dream come true. When its compact we're
>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>> Barnack.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/12/13 3:58 PM, "John Owlett" <owl at postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Monday 11 February 2013, at 18:06 PST, Paul Roark wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had the opportunity to test a Sony RX1 briefly.  I sent it back
>>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>>> to defects, but it is an interesting camera and has a few 
>>>>>>>>> attributes
>>>>>>>>> that are an exciting glimpse of the future.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ... snip ...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, interesting, but not ready for prime time for me.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When the Sony DSC-RX1 was first mentioned on the LUG, several people
>>>>>>>> expressed doubts as to whether it would actually be bought to take
>>>>>>>> pictures.  My reaction was, "It might be", so I went across to
>>>>>>>> Bournemouth to take a close look at one.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The RX1 is basically a solidly built camera body with a 24.3
>>>>>>>> megapixel
>>>>>>>> sensor and a good 35mm f/2 lens.  What Sony seems to be trying to do
>>>>>>>> is to offer picture quality as good as an M-240 + Summicron, with
>>>>>>>> build quality as good as an M-240 + Summicron ... without the
>>>>>>>> flexibility of a system camera ... but at less than half the weight
>>>>>>>> and less than half the price.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And if Sony can achieve that, why not?  After all, Rolleiflex sold
>>>>>>>> about two million miniature Rollei 35 film cameras, and still makes
>>>>>>>> an occasional batch.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As a build-quality neurotic, but not a camera engineer, I felt that
>>>>>>>> the RX1 was as solidly built as the Nikon F3/T I had with me;
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ... but ...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the RX1 has no integral viewfinder.  There is an EVF you can put in
>>>>>>>> the hot shoe, but then you cannot fit a separate flash unit there.
>>>>>>>> There is a compact-camera-style pop-up flash, but of course that
>>>>>>>> won't bounce.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There apppears to be no way to use an EVF and a separate flash unit
>>>>>>>> at the same time, without setting up a slave flash to be triggered
>>>>>>>> by the pop-up unit.  Which is complication too far for my ideal of
>>>>>>>> a walkabout camera.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So, while I would agree with Paul that it is "an exciting glimpse
>>>>>>>> of the future", I would also agree that it is "not ready for prime
>>>>>>>> time for me."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Later,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dr Owl
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>> John Owlett, Southampton, UK
>>>>>>>> 
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