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Subject: [Leica] any Sony RX 1 users
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:58:43 -0500

You could read the reviews and see if you're finding focusing issues. I have
and have not found that. And I think Sony has made one or two cameras in the
past years and I think they've figured out the focusing thing by now.
I'm guessing the camera just works. You point it at something click the
clicker and it takes a picture. That's what the three reviews seem to
indicate.
Google it.


On 2/13/13 12:35 PM, "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote:

> So this  the same thing as my Contax G2 that I sold years ago. It was my
> most loved and hated camera: fantastic lenses, I mean the best lenses I 
> have
> ever owned in any format or film size. Totally unreliable AF, where the AF
> point was  hard to locate. Guesss I'm out there, too.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FRANK DERNIE
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:55 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] any Sony RX 1 users
> 
> No viewfinder, autofocus impossible to judge when using an add-on optical
> viewfinder (I would be)?
> Completely useless to me, however good the results in a review taking test
> charts.
> Shan't be getting one.
> Frank D.
> 
> 
> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 4:40
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] any Sony RX 1 users
>> 
>> Mark,
>> I agree. We will have to keep looking for revues! That should clear the
>> problem up without a doubt! I presume a rave revue is a revue with drugs
>> and a Sony RX-1? (-:
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 13-Feb-2013, at 8:53 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Pauls opinion is of course to be taken seriously.
>>> It is of course. One opinion
>>> One can easily check out other revues which are out.
>>> None of them are bad. I read or two or three long others.
>>> the luminous landscape one is very intensive. And super good.
>>> In a month there will be a dozen. We'll see if any of them are bad.
>>> But if one opinion decides the issue for you; you'll not be interested in
>>> any of them.
>>> I think we'll be seeing people out using this camera. And we'll be seeing
>>> their work. So it won't be an issue of complied rave revues.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/12/13 8:24 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, and if we can trust anyone, it would be Paul's.
>>>> On Feb 12, 2013 5:06 PM, "Marty Deveney" <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> But the lens isn't very good, which is particularly problematic in a
>>>>> fixed lens camera.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marty
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
>>>>> rabinergroup.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> All this talk about flash this and flash that.
>>>>>> This is a full frame camera which can be used easily at iso 64,000 and
>>>>>> beyond just like a 3 pound full frame DSLR flagship camera can be. But
>>>>> can
>>>>>> go in your pocket.
>>>>>> And just like a Rollei 35. Which few used with flash.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Its the beginning of full frame compact options for those who want the
>>>>>> quality that full frame brings you and are willing to pay a bit extra
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> They 're not going to have to pay THAT much for it as this is also
>>>>> obviously
>>>>>> a premium placed camera. The ostentatious lens and ultra solid build
>>>>> makes
>>>>>> it so. Plenty of full frame compact options will be had soon made of
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> traditional plastic and with a safe mindless zoom designed to appeal
>>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>> masses. It won't really cost this much to have full frame fit in your
>>>>>> pocket.
>>>>>> It will be under two grand not under three. USD.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sony is a company I trust more than any other electronics company.
>>>>>> They seldom blow it. If that's the case now its a darned shame but I
>>>>> don't
>>>>>> think its going to slow up the reality of a full  frame compact
>>>>>> market.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To me it makes the full frame compact solution really serious. Instead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> just pretending to me. A full frame compact camera would really be a
>>>>> serious
>>>>>> picture taking solution to be embraced by top pros and very serious
>>>>>> amateurs. The 1.5 crop and 2x crop would like to be but they are not.
>>>>>> We are all just too familiar with what a full frame digital sensor can
>>>>> bring
>>>>>> to our work. And many of us are willing to drag one around to get
>>>>>> that.
>>>>> But
>>>>>> when its compact that's a dream come true. When its compact we're
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> Barnack.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/12/13 3:58 PM, "John Owlett" <owl at postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Monday 11 February 2013, at 18:06 PST, Paul Roark wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I had the opportunity to test a Sony RX1 briefly.  I sent it back
>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>> to defects, but it is an interesting camera and has a few attributes
>>>>>>>> that are an exciting glimpse of the future.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ... snip ...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So, interesting, but not ready for prime time for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When the Sony DSC-RX1 was first mentioned on the LUG, several people
>>>>>>> expressed doubts as to whether it would actually be bought to take
>>>>>>> pictures.  My reaction was, "It might be", so I went across to
>>>>>>> Bournemouth to take a close look at one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The RX1 is basically a solidly built camera body with a 24.3
>>>>>>> megapixel
>>>>>>> sensor and a good 35mm f/2 lens.  What Sony seems to be trying to do
>>>>>>> is to offer picture quality as good as an M-240 + Summicron, with
>>>>>>> build quality as good as an M-240 + Summicron ... without the
>>>>>>> flexibility of a system camera ... but at less than half the weight
>>>>>>> and less than half the price.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And if Sony can achieve that, why not?  After all, Rolleiflex sold
>>>>>>> about two million miniature Rollei 35 film cameras, and still makes
>>>>>>> an occasional batch.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As a build-quality neurotic, but not a camera engineer, I felt that
>>>>>>> the RX1 was as solidly built as the Nikon F3/T I had with me;
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ... but ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the RX1 has no integral viewfinder.  There is an EVF you can put in
>>>>>>> the hot shoe, but then you cannot fit a separate flash unit there.
>>>>>>> There is a compact-camera-style pop-up flash, but of course that
>>>>>>> won't bounce.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There apppears to be no way to use an EVF and a separate flash unit
>>>>>>> at the same time, without setting up a slave flash to be triggered
>>>>>>> by the pop-up unit.  Which is complication too far for my ideal of
>>>>>>> a walkabout camera.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, while I would agree with Paul that it is "an exciting glimpse
>>>>>>> of the future", I would also agree that it is "not ready for prime
>>>>>>> time for me."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Later,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dr Owl
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>> John Owlett, Southampton, UK
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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