Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/02/21

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Film Images from Leica IIIf
From: cedric.agie at gmail.com (Cedric Agie)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:53:24 +0100
References: <12FD31BAD81A4DEA9F507C8C1EC123BC@jimnichols> <366505E6-C56D-4DB9-B6B7-7203503705B7@frozenlight.eu> <C55D0308242D40DCB336FB23961CEA78@jimnichols> <57DC76A1-5C68-4029-A93B-2AF10C8BBF09@cartersxrd.net> <0F987371965B438096A45440035D7F8E@jimnichols> <CABNC8Srk305WhE8_udV5DASqPasEw7ZOO+BQmSDVKfXKJvyx4A@mail.gmail.com> <51260CED.8040504@summaventures.com>

It takes sometimes several years for Leitz (Leica)  to devellop a new
camera, lens or glasstype. Don't think a new model or lens falls
suddenly out of the blue. Before the computer era, calculating a new
lens took several months by lots of mathematicians. Tests alone of a
new glasstype could take years.
With several years I mean 5 to 10 or even 15 years. Studies on new
glastypes, the change to bayonnet fittings and lens anti reflexion
layers etc started before WWII.
And went on again just after the war. The developpement of the M-5 for
example took at least 10 years. Sales went on for less than 5 years.
The Leica reflex models took more or less 10 if not 15 years of
research and developpement. The lenses for these reflex models on the
other hand took much less time and money because Leitz had already the
experience of the Visoflex systhem and its lenses.

>From time to time they issue experimental models to certain members of
their staff, close friends and experienced photographers. They do the
same just before they start production or sending the first batch to
the market. In the end these special models are donated or sold to
members of their personnel, their close relatives or friends.

Some productions are really short lived. For example the M-2 with a
Leicavit drive, the famous MP etc. There where a few M-3 models
adapted to this systhem. Some of these special M-3 even have a 35, 50,
90 mm and 135mm rangefinder. The first concept of motor drives came
from somebody in New-York. An MP2 with an electrical motor appeared
some time afterwards. All bear special markings. Except some, mostly
M-2, equipped with these inside facilities but mentionning nothing on
the outside and that were simply sent to the market as regular M-2.

And here we are speaking of the civil market alone. And believe me the
real story of the Leitz Leica saga is much more interesting than the
gossip that spreads from time to time.

If I may insist, never sell that lens, but if you absolutely want to
get rid of it, give it to me.

Kind regards,

Cedric


2013/2/21 Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com>:
> Cedric,
>
> On 20/02/2013 20:52, Cedric Agie wrote:
>> I'm certainly not an expert of older Leitz lenses, in short I'm not
>>...
>
>
>> At the end of the Summitar 50 mm production Leitz produced a small
>> number of these new lenses under the name Summitar, but in fact these
>> where issued with the new Summicron formulas to test the market. Only
>> the serial number could give an indication. They used the same trick
>> with the first Summilux 50mm 1.4 lenses that arrived under the the
>> name of the former Summarit 50mm f1.5.
>
> So...what are the numbers? I am fascinated and haven't heard this story 
> before.
>
> Peter
>
>
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>
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