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Subject: [Leica] Shoot less... ? IT'S ALL DUMB ASS CRAP!
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:38:23 -0700
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> On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> I hate like hell to argue with the great Dr. Ted, but I must. I 
> contributed to this thread of what is admittedly mental masturbation to 
> point out something that I could have explained better, how the way I shot 
> film made my digital photography ( I would say my photography in general) 
> better. It's a discipline that may not work for everyone, but I can't see 
> the advantage of spray and pray. If being more "economical" makes me 
> consider what I'm shooting, rather than just holding the button and hoping 
> for the best, then I'm the winner.
> 
> But in retrospect, what I have said may be strongly similar to what was 
> written by Dr. Ted.


god, I agree with Ted (no surprise) and Bill?

seems that the conclusion is that when it?s worth shooting, ie momentous, 
you rarely get more than one, or a very, very few shots?


over and out!



Steve


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> -----Original Message----- From: Ted Grant
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:38 AM
> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shoot less... ? IT'S ALL DUMB ASS CRAP!
> 
> I   can't believe I'm reading such  a pile of inane garbage tripe about
> using film more or less? Bigger size? WHATEVER? LESS IS BETTER OR WHATEVER
> STUPID TOPIC TWIST YOU WISH TO PUT ON IT!
> 
> Sounds and reads like a bunch of little un-skilled morons in some of the
> posts!
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> Let me offer you a "ONE FRAME ONLY "CLICK!"
> That's it! it's Canadian runner Ben Johnson just as he crossed the finish
> line in the "Men's 100 meter Olympic Championship race! SEOUL. KOREA 1988'
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> One frame, one click, one human being re-action with an R8! "NO NOT ONE
> FRAME USING A MOTOR DRIVE. JUST ME, MY GUT AND SHUTTER TRIPPING FINGER!
> Webpage TEDGRANTPHOTO.COM  And there's a few other "one frame photographs 
> in
> the same portfolio you might like to see pictures without numbers even
> considered... before? during? Or after! All "see! Click!"
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> WE'VE HAD SOME THE GREATEST DUMB-ASS SO CALLED CONVERSATIONS ON THE lug in
> my years?
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> HOWEVER? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THIS ONE MUST BE LEADING THE PACK IN DUMB ASS
> TOPIC!
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> It's Monday! Let's all "stop this crap right now!" And begin a new week 
> with
> common sense! THANK YOU.
> 
> CHEERS,
> Dr. Ted
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On 
> Behalf Of
> FRANK DERNIE
> Sent: March-23-15 3:48 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shoot less... ?
> 
> Yes Richard that is surely the point?
> If one needs to take gazillions of frames to get the few pictures you want
> that is one thing, and fair enough.
> To have the perverse (to me) idea that this is equivalent to shooting
> massively fewer shots in 120, but the same area of film, or even more 
> barmy,
> a handful of shots of 10x8 is equivalent, lacks even a microgram of logic.
> Surely, if you only need a dozen shots, you only need a dozen shots?
> Shooting 432 because that is the same area of film is bizarre.
> Now I do see that few photographers use medium or large format for sport,
> and taking gazillions of sport pictures gives a higher chance of getting a
> good one. But still, if you only need a dozen shots there is no need to 
> take
> another 420 just to expose the same area of film.
> I am being a touch tongue in cheek here but really, Henning seems to be the
> only one to have been logical on this subject.
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 10:17
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shoot less... ?
>> 
>> 
>> You are missing the point: shooting more / working the scene --> gives a
>> better chance of getting the worthwhile results.
>> 
>> Why is there even an argument? Sure, no one should try to take 
>> meaningless,
>> loser shots, but even with the best techniques, best eyes, etc., shooting
>> more frames, especially under most circumstances, would mean potentially a
>> higher hit rate.
>> 
>> I am beginning to think that LUGGERS love to argue - for argument sake. 
>> No,
>> we do not. Yes, you do, no, do not, do. DO NOT. Certainly do.
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>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:03 AM, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at 
>> btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have never heard of photographers considering their work by the acreage
>>> of film they use rather than the number of worthwhile results they get.
> Is
>>> this common?
>>> 
>>> > On 21 Mar, 2015, at 20:14, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > A dozen sheets of 8x10 equal 144 shots with a Rolleiflex or Hasselblad.
>>> > 432 shots with in 35mm. Also par for the course. A very common
>>> occurrence.
>>> >
>>> > I shot 10 rolls a pro pack of Delta 100 of one model once in a few
> hours.
>>> > So I had 360 chances to get it right.
>>> > That was the most concentrated I ever got.
>>> > My Balcars afterwards were quite warm. But they cooled down in time.
>>> > I needed a cold shower for sure.
>>> 
>>> 
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>> -- 
>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
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