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Subject: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files
From: csaganich at gmail.com (CJ andS)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 10:39:06 -0400
References: <5549860C.3010707@lighttube.net> <D16F8FB8.3968B%mark@rabinergroup.com>

My fault for finding this tragedy a bit amusing.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:

> They could give  you the option which is common and I have with my D700 of
> 12-bit vs. 14-bit so you can go for speed or quality. I always have it set
> for all thing quality.
>
> Richard thanks on that I knew bit depth was not dependent on format it just
> struck me that the medium format backs give you larger bit depth options
> typically. Like 16 bits (65,536 levels per channel).  I don't think there
> is
> 16 bits in 24x26 ff.
>
>
> On 5/5/15 11:10 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't it also affect write speeds?  What if Leica puts more value on
> > speed than on bit depths?
> >
> > Jim Nichols
> > Tullahoma, TN USA
> >
> > On 5/5/2015 10:04 PM, Doug Herr wrote:
> >> Sometimes the published bit depth has more to do with marketing than
> anything
> >> else.
> >>
> >> Doug Herr
> >> Birdman of Sacramento
> >> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> >> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> >>> Sent: May 5, 2015 6:01 PM
> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files
> >>>
> >>> The "bit-depth" is not dependent on the format. If 12 bits is good
> enough
> >>> for 35mm sensor, then it would be good enough for medium format
> sensor, and
> >>> vice versa.
> >>>
> >>> Note that I have not said what I think personally on the technical
> merits.
> >>> I am just giving out the perspective that the decision is almost
> certainly
> >>> financial related rather than based on technical analysis.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 16 bit it says on this phase one achromatic plus monochrome but medium
> >>>> format seems to have more bits involved or am I wrong?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/5/15 8:01 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> No doubt PhaseOne came to the same conclusion...
> >>>>> http://www.achromaticplus.com/Achromatic_Plus/The_Back.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> not...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
> >>>>> rabinergroup.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> I think what will happen is they will put two large prints up side
> by
> >>>> side
> >>>>>> one with the old 14 bit camera and the other with the new 12 bit
> and the
> >>>>>> new
> >>>>>> camera will of course blow the old one right out of the water these
> >>>> people
> >>>>>> did not wake up one morning all of a sudden stupid.
> >>>>>> The interesting thing will be what the mitigating factors might be
> and
> >>>> how
> >>>>>> they are put in place.
> >>>>>> Is bit depth less of an issue with only one channel than three?
> (RGB)
> >>>>>> Whatever it is the proof will be  in the pudding and they've
> already see
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> tasted the  pudding. They'll give us a taste when they get around
> to it.
> >>>>>> But
> >>>>>> I do think plenty of people will be blown over by rather large
> glowing
> >>>>>> monochrome prints from this camera which will be a life changing
> >>>>>> experience.
> >>>>>> A new paradigm creating kind of thing. And we'll see those soon.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/5/15 12:12 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't think you need to sign it. It's open for all to view. A
> longer
> >>>>>> way
> >>>>>>> to get there is:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Go to www.getdpi.com you will see Jono Slacks article about the
> new
> >>>>>>> Monochrom. Then click on the getDPI Forums.
> >>>>>>> Then scroll down to the Leica link
> >>>>>>> Post #47 under The New Monochrom - a fine report
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hope this helps...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Steve Barbour <
> steve.barbour at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This webpage is not available
> >>>>>>>> it is available, perhaps you have to sign in some-how.....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tina
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at 
> >>>>>>>>> gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> See post #46 by Jono Slack:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/54592-new-monochrom-fine-report.html#post
> >>>> 63
> >>>>>>>> 9690
> >>>>>>>>>> Curiouser and curiouser...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Bob Adler
> >>>>>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>>>>> Photographer
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
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> >>>> Photographer
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>
>
>
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