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Subject: [Leica] So much for "film is forever"..
From: boulanger.croissant at gmail.com (Peter Klein)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 01:13:13 -0700
References: <D17A7B13.3A40E%mark@rabinergroup.com> <814A9936-C401-45C9-8512-012348487329@aotera.org> <CAH1UNJ3s6ai9pyed_zqouYmquWafgyxexqBKG=yBbWRXJ0f-6A@mail.gmail.com> <55556910.9090705@jayburleson.com> <CAH1UNJ31zGDbTaCP3K-xB8Ndynuem8r75yTYai8D4c84b0f1HQ@mail.gmail.com>

So if each of us is famous for 15 minutes, we should do our backups during
that time.
--Peter

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Good one!
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "I tell ya, the only way to preserve your work is to be famous. Then
> > everybody wants it, there will be plenty of copies around, and people who
> > own the prints will take care of them. The rest of us are probably
> screwed."
> >
> > Quote by Mike Johnston, TOP
> >
> > On 5/14/2015 7:37 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
> >
> >> I have been following this thread with interest, as this is a problem
> that
> >> all of us have, and my primary takeaway is that all archival systems
> seem
> >> to be deeply flawed in the long term, so we might as well use the one
> that
> >> is convenient to us and not worry about it. As Keynes said, in the long
> >> term we are all dead. Your pictures, however, are damned either
> way....:-)
> >> Cheers
> >> Jayanand
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Spencer Cheng <spencer at aotera.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  We are going way off topic here so this is my last comment. I did not
> say
> >>> to store your digital media using microfiche.
> >>>
> >>> I am aware of a group of digital archivist (including someone from
> NIST)
> >>> working on how to preserve digital media in a standardized fashion.
> >>>
> >>> Best practice digital media preservation currently require regular
> active
> >>> copying and indefinite transcription of digital media to protect again
> >>> deterioration of storage media and format obsolescence.
> >>>
> >>> If you are not doing both, your stored media is likely to stay
> ephemeral
> >>> despite of what you believe.
> >>>
> >>> Mark, do as you wish but 1?s magically becomes 0?s in digital media
> >>> whether you believe it?s going to happen or not. Good Luck.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Spencer
> >>>
> >>>  On May 14, 2015, at 16:17, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  From the Library of Congress  (USA)
> >>>> "Does the Library of Congress recommend microfilming or digitization
> for
> >>>> reformatting institutional collections?....
> >>>>
> >>>> " That said, the end of microfilming is near, despite it's relatively
> >>>> low
> >>>> cost and the several hundred year projected lifetime of preservation
> >>>>
> >>> film.
> >>>
> >>>> The National Endowment for the Humanities no longer funds grants for
> >>>> microfilming and microfilm readers are increasingly difficult to
> >>>> maintain
> >>>> and service."
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.loc.gov/preservation/about/faqs/reformatting.html#prescopy
> >>>>
> >>>> Recognizing Digitization as a Preservation Reformatting Method
> >>>> http://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/pdf/preserving/8_34a.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/14/15 1:17 AM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Canadian Archive uses microfiche which are stable for 100+ years (or
> >>>>>
> >>>> acid-free
> >>>
> >>>> paper for documents). The Canadian census was stored that way. ?was?
> >>>>>
> >>>> because I
> >>>
> >>>> am not sure we have a real census any more.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Digital storage is very
> >>>>
> >>>>> ephemeral. I doubt if most digital storage will last more than 10
> >>>>>
> >>>> years. Those
> >>>
> >>>> 1?s randomly change to 0?s far too frequently. I don?t think archivist
> >>>>>
> >>>> like
> >>>
> >>>> digital media very much.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Spencer
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Leica
> >>>>
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>> information
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>>> Photographer
> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)
Message from spencer at aotera.org (Spencer Cheng) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)
Message from jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)
Message from leica at jayburleson.com (Jay Burleson) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)
Message from jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj) ([Leica] So much for "film is forever"..)