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Subject: [Leica] The new Hasselblad is announced
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:13:51 -0500
References: <D39441C6.6470A%mark@rabinergroup.com> <942BDD4F-33E3-4E71-A9A9-C7D89BC6832D@verizon.net>

16 shots per roll 120, 32 shots per 220 roll is  good start as to why some
people preferred 645.  Remember, Hassy style boxes weren't the only 645's;
the Fuji 645 rangefinders were pocket-able and  offered ease of use.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Frank Verizon 2 2016 <red735i at 
verizon.net>
wrote:

> Most of the 645 cameras were models made for eye level viewing, like an
> SLR. I think that feature alone domimated the thought process of
> manufacturers and users... A big negative SLR.
> There were exceptions, including the Fuji foldup 645, and Plaubel Makina,
> probably others. But the waist level Rollei and Hasselblad and others went
> dead. Eye level prisms were available, but adde to weight.
>
> In fairness, the waist level cameras were heavy, the eye level ones
> comparatively light
>
> None of this explains why the square format was discarded.
>
> Note that Phase (or was it Leaf) did offer a square format digital sensor
> for a while. No longer, however.
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 25, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>
> I don't get the square format medium format cameras dead statement.
> None of those cameras went under. Hasselblad, Rolleiflex and a few others.
> 645 remained a bargain basement medium format for people who had to feel
> like they were shooting 35. Square format Hasselblads dominated wedding and
> event shooting till the end.
>
>
> > On 6/22/16 9:17 PM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > Sometime in the long ago, some marketing guy thought the rather obscure
> 645
> > size ( remember the A16 Hassy back?) was MF.  At that time, there was
> 6x6 and
> > 645.  ( and 6x7; 6x9; and even 6x8). All the numbers referred to film
> size in
> > mm.  They all used a common 120 film size.
> Then someone thought that 6x6 was
> > a dead end and there were no more 6x6 cameras being made. They were all
> > 645....the other sizes went dead.
> So magically, 645 became the MF standard
> > (and only size).
> With the advent of digital, 645 became a ratio (4:3), not a
> > mm size, and so now we have digital MF sensors that measure 44x33mm
>
> There are
> > larger sensors.... But none measure 56x56 mm, the old time MF standard
>
> We can
> > only hope some sensor in the future will measure 56x56mm. My CF lenses
> will
> > cover the sensor, easily.
>
> Frank
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 22, 2016, at
> > 6:58 PM, lluisripollphotography <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Neither for me I think, I don?t like operate on cameras in Menu mode
> > neither with EVF, on the other hand this one is not exactly a MF camera,
> IMHO
> > it is equivalent to a smaller 4,5 x 6, the CMOS sensor is 43.8 ? 32.9mm,
> for
> > me the true MF (at least in film)  is 60 x 60 mm (2 1/4" x 2
> > 1/4?).
>
> Lluis
>
>
>
>
> > El 22 juny 2016, a les 23:16, Frank Verizon 2 2016
> > <red735i at verizon.net> va escriure:
> >
> > Appears to be a Leica SL on steroids,
> > at a discount store price.
> > Does 2 lenses sound familiar?
> > No zoom yet, no
> > H lens adapter yet.
> > Fully electronic lens to body connections mean that
> > CF,C, and F lenses will not work, unless they make a special adapter
> > available
> >
> > It is substantially lighter than my Leaf + 500CM system, a good
> > thing.
> >
> > I am unconvinced it is a path for me.
> >
> > Frank Filippone
> >
> >
> > <http://www.hasselblad.com/x1d>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] The new Hasselblad is announced)
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