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Subject: [Leica] The new Hasselblad is announced
From: red735i at verizon.net (Frank Verizon 2 2016)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:02:08 -0300
References: <D39441C6.6470A%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Most of the 645 cameras were models made for eye level viewing, like an SLR. 
I think that feature alone domimated the thought process of manufacturers 
and users... A big negative SLR. 
There were exceptions, including the Fuji foldup 645, and Plaubel Makina, 
probably others. But the waist level Rollei and Hasselblad and others went 
dead. Eye level prisms were available, but adde to weight.

In fairness, the waist level cameras were heavy, the eye level ones 
comparatively light

None of this explains why the square format was discarded.

Note that Phase (or was it Leaf) did offer a square format digital sensor 
for a while. No longer, however.

Frank

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 25, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

I don't get the square format medium format cameras dead statement.
None of those cameras went under. Hasselblad, Rolleiflex and a few others.
645 remained a bargain basement medium format for people who had to feel
like they were shooting 35. Square format Hasselblads dominated wedding and
event shooting till the end.


> On 6/22/16 9:17 PM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Sometime in the long ago, some marketing guy thought the rather obscure 645
> size ( remember the A16 Hassy back?) was MF.  At that time, there was 6x6 
> and
> 645.  ( and 6x7; 6x9; and even 6x8). All the numbers referred to film size 
> in
> mm.  They all used a common 120 film size.
Then someone thought that 6x6 was
> a dead end and there were no more 6x6 cameras being made. They were all
> 645....the other sizes went dead.
So magically, 645 became the MF standard
> (and only size).
With the advent of digital, 645 became a ratio (4:3), not a
> mm size, and so now we have digital MF sensors that measure 44x33mm

There are
> larger sensors.... But none measure 56x56 mm, the old time MF standard

We can
> only hope some sensor in the future will measure 56x56mm. My CF lenses will
> cover the sensor, easily.

Frank


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 22, 2016, at
> 6:58 PM, lluisripollphotography <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com>
> wrote:

Neither for me I think, I don?t like operate on cameras in Menu mode
> neither with EVF, on the other hand this one is not exactly a MF camera, 
> IMHO
> it is equivalent to a smaller 4,5 x 6, the CMOS sensor is 43.8 ? 32.9mm, 
> for
> me the true MF (at least in film)  is 60 x 60 mm (2 1/4" x 2
> 1/4?).

Lluis




> El 22 juny 2016, a les 23:16, Frank Verizon 2 2016
> <red735i at verizon.net> va escriure:
> 
> Appears to be a Leica SL on steroids,
> at a discount store price. 
> Does 2 lenses sound familiar?
> No zoom yet, no
> H lens adapter yet. 
> Fully electronic lens to body connections mean that
> CF,C, and F lenses will not work, unless they make a special adapter
> available
> 
> It is substantially lighter than my Leaf + 500CM system, a good
> thing.
> 
> I am unconvinced it is a path for me.
> 
> Frank Filippone
> 
> 
> <http://www.hasselblad.com/x1d>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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