Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2018/01/15

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More to the point...  You are a Pro and get treated as such.  I am an amateur and get treated as such.....It is a different standard.  ( Pro green is better than amateur green.  That is the message I receive.)
The M lenses, unless you drop them, or do something else ridiculous with them, will last a lifetime with minimal repair assistance.   
I have a 1930 model 90 Elmar (pre 100,000 serial number)that still is in pretty perfect working condition as an example.

The bodies may be great but it is the repairs that I am really griped about....  And I do love Leica glass... really.

My M9 is now working fine, my Monochrom is now working fine.  I need no other Leica bodies.  ( somewhat thanks to Sony and Techart)
( to say nothing of the fact that I can not afford the $4-5-6000 lenses of the SL or S series)

If the SL had an auto iris R adapter, I would have jumped right in, bought some affordable, used, R glass, and been a happy camper ( or so I think).  But it didn?t and doesn't and will not.  No SL in my future.

No more Leica bodies in my stable.   

Frank Filippone

Red735i at verizon.net


-----Original Message-----
From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Tina Manley
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 3:21 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Big SL Lens ( DIameter) explanation

My SL 24-90 jammed when I was in Iran.  It would not zoom at all.  I sent a panicked e-mail to Leica and they responded immediately.  They had had two lens that had that problem.  The guy that worked on them talked me through how to tug on the lens hood to get the zoom to unstick.  It worked and I did that for the rest of the trip.  When I got back home, the lens went to Leica NJ where they fixed it permanently and shipped it back to me in less than a week.  It hasn't jammed since then.

Tina

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> Frank all your camera issues seem to be with M?s a camera even though 
> digital is still very much a mechanical beast and the repair issues 
> seem to be more mechanical than electronic.
> I think  the new systems now from Leica,  the SL we?ve been discussing 
> as well as the medium format S are working out.
> I?m not hearing about repair problems on these newer system cameras 
> which are more firmly based on electronics less much less on mechanical systems.
> I think they are working out.
> I just can?t begin to almost afford them. They are the things dreams 
> are made of.
>
> If I had money rolling in I?d get set up with both S and SL systems.
>
> Ironic with Leica?s mechanical camera making history they?ve got the 
> electronics down just not the nuts and bolts.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
>
> On 1/15/18, 5:56 PM, "LUG on behalf of Frank Filippone" 
> <lug-bounces+mark= rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>     Who says?  Do you really trust Leica will properly repair your 
> camera in a timely fashion?
>
>     My M6 was repaired but then they shipped me a body casting that 
> was so dented the film cartridge would not fit.....
>     My M8 had to go in twice because there was not a single pixel in 
> focus....  It appeared that the focal plane was twisted compared to 
> the image plane.
>     My M9 was fine until the glass cover plate fell off....
>     My Monochrom was fine, with a corroded glass cover plate....
>
>     These cameras have spent a total of over 18 months being repaired.
>     You think pros can tolerate that kind of time without their 
> working tools?
>     Excuse me, pros get treated special, it is the amateur's repairs 
> get treated like .... dirt.
>
>     To be fair, I have never had a problem with lens repair..... ( 
> mainly because I send them to DAG to be done)
>
>     Not again.  No more Leica bodies for me. Period.
>
>     But with the Techart Leica AF adapter for the Sony A7 family plus 
> Leica glass, why would I?  Best glass, IBIS, AF, bodies ( technology) 
> that I can afford to grow with.
>
>
>     Frank Filippone
>
>     Red735i at verizon.net
>
>     I think the SL camera though costing many thousands but then not 
> spend all the time in the shop
>
>
>
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