Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2018/07/05

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Subject: [Leica] Nikon mirrorless
From: geneduprey2015 at gmail.com (Gene Duprey)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 16:37:03 -0500
References: <253599663.7424.1530811602181@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <CA+3n+_kp8QreOTC4qtyB_Hw5aG5D4rJoYuay-9ZU7qVY4jj_Dw@mail.gmail.com> <AFB69573-E6A5-4E75-B263-E11EF7493873@rabinergroup.com>

I bought my D500 back in Feb. from a dealer in Cedar Rapids.  I could have
also picked up a D850 at the same time as he had them in house.  Decided
for my purposes, a D850 was not the right body.  The D500 is the perfect
second camera to my D4.  As for the new mirrorless body, will have to wait
and see what they come up with.  I have looked at the Sony's and so far do
not like them, still too many issues not yet addressed fully.

Gene

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:56 PM Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> If Nikon had some odd reputation for dangling cameras in from of people
> like carrots I think I'd have heard about it.  I've been shooting Nikons
> since my first F2 three months after it was released  in August of 1972.
> There was no waiting list I was on or heard of.
> The only waiting lists I've ever heard of is when they say a new camera is
> coming out in three months to get one the first week it comes out.
> I wanted that with my second DSLR the D200 I was called a few days later
> and told my camera was ready.  I don?t think anyone on the list had any
> wait. A week after the release date if you went into a camera store and
> asked for one you'd get one right then. I'm shooting with a D750 now before
> that a D700. Both I think surpass the stuff I'd done with my Hasselblad,
> Rolleiflex and Nikons combined in the 80's and 90's. A DSLR is more than an
> SLR with a D in front of it many of us have found out. I think both those
> cameras were never known for not being around for people to buy when they
> wanted to buy one.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
>
> ?On 7/5/18, 1:38 PM, "LUG on behalf of Don Dory via LUG" <lug-bounces+mark=
> rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at leica-users.org> 
> wrote:
>
>     After contemplating Doug's response I do have a bit to add.  I am not
> sure
>     that even a superlative F mount to whatever the new mount is will be
>     enough.  Professional lenses are rather large and heavy; the new body
> will
>     not help you save much weight so many will not change bodies and not
> buy
>     the new lenses.  Another consideration is that Nikon has a track
> record of
>     being unable to produce their good stuff in any quantity for a world
>     market.
>
>     My prediction is that even with strong support from the top tier of
> Nikon
>     shooters for the new camera, when a mid level photographer wants to
> order
>     one for the new technology and is informed that they are on a long
> waiting
>     list but also informed that they can buy brand S or F today with an
> adapter
>     to use the newest F lenses somewhat seamlessly guess what will happen.
>
>     Now, if the current production issues from Nikon spending resources to
>     build up capability to flood the market with the new camera system
> then if
>     execution is great on technology then life awaits Nikon.
>
>     On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:27 PM Doug Herr via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org>
>     wrote:
>
>     > IMHO because of the number of e-mount lenses now on the market, a
> good
>     > adapter for the huge variety of F-mount lenses will be the key to the
>     > success of this camera otherwise it will be too little, too late.
>     >
>     > As far as I'm concerned the dominance of the SLR is over.  There
> will be
>     > some SLR cameras that continue to sell in selected niche markets but
> like
>     > the rangefinder (sorry!) its glory days will soon be over.
>     >
>     > Doug Herr
>     > Birdman of Sacramento
>     > http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>     > http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>     >
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > >From: Ken Iisaka <ken at iisaka.com>
>     > >Sent: Jul 5, 2018 9:30 AM
>     > >To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>     > >Subject: Re: [Leica] Nikon mirrorless
>     > >
>     > >Not so sure about that. If all the existing AF-F mount lenses can
> be used
>     > >via adapter, this can truly signal the end of SLRs.
>     > >
>     > >Sony was the first to the market, with a full 35mm sensor, but
> having to
>     > >invest in a new set of lenses prevented many from making the jump.
> If
>     > Nikon
>     > >can pave a path for smoother transition, with full compatibility
> with
>     > >legacy accessories, as it has historically done, I can see many
> people
>     > >embracing the new standard.
>     > >
>     > >Nikon's previous mirrorless standard was indeed a failure, trying
> to avoid
>     > >cannibalising the existing SLR market. But they have now seen that
> the SLR
>     > >era is over.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >On 5 July 2018 at 09:20, chris williams via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org>
>     > wrote:
>     > >
>     > >> Too little too late IMHO.
>     > >>
>     > >> Chris Williams
>     > >> www.zoeicaimages.net
>     > >> 504-231-6261
>     > >>
>     > >>
>     > >> > On Jul 5, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Akhil Lal <alal at nyu.edu> wrote:
>     > >> >
>     > >> > According to nikonrumors.com, Nikon will announcetwo mirrorless
>     > bodies
>     > >> > soon. The lens mount will be new.
>     > >> >
>     > >> > I just hope Nikon offers an auto- everything adapter to use
> current F
>     > >> mount
>     > >> > lenses on the new bodies.
>     > >> >
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>     > >
>     > >
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>     > >
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In reply to: Message from wildlightphoto at earthlink.net (Doug Herr) ([Leica] Nikon mirrorless)
Message from don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory) ([Leica] Nikon mirrorless)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Nikon mirrorless)