Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/05/05

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Subject: Re: [Leica] art, manual focus & other misunderstanding
From: "Art Peterson" <peterson_art@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:43:34 PDT

Eric,

Earlier you wrote that Cartier-Bresson would say, "I am a surrealist," and 
you added, "Photojournalism and art are not so far apart."  But your comment 
below contradicts that.  There you say that you too "can fake pictures all 
day long" and don't find certain "pictures all that compelling, because I 
know that with money and models, I could do the same," and that "My 
composition would be different, [and] it would be in color, but it would be 
just as fake."  The notion of what's "fake" is germane to photojournalism, 
but it's irrelevant to art (except, of course, where one perpetrates a 
forgery of an exiting work of art).

Photojournalism and art differ entirely in their objectives, even if 
Cartier-Bresson's work shows that their results may---given his unique 
genius---coincide.  Certainly, as you have pointed out on this list before, 
to "fake it" violates a basic objective of photojournalism.  But would one 
call Orson Welles or Robert Altman "fakes" because they worked from scripts, 
staged scenes, and employed actors?  Surely not! The objectives of news and 
documentary film on the one hand and Orson Welles's "Citizen Kane" and 
Robert Altman's "Nashville" on the other differ in the same way as the 
objectives of photojournalism and art.

Surrealism is an artistic style, and whether Cartier-Bresson considers 
himself that or something else is of far less importance than what he 
created in whatever style.  He made it SEEM that "Photojournalism and art 
are not so far apart," perhaps, because he, extraordinarily, while 
practicing photojournalism, produced some great works of art.

:)

Art Peterson


- ----Original Message Follows----
From: Eric Welch <ewelch@ponyexpress.net>
Reply-To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] art, manual focus & other misunderstanding
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:05:00 -0500

At 09:15 AM 5/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I would like to see some of your work that competes with Dousneau.

You guys don't get it. My point was that I can fake pictures all day long. I 
dong find his pictures all that compelling, because I know that with money 
and models, I could do the same.

I have no interest in doing it, so forget it.

My composition would be different, it would be in color, but it would be 
just as fake.

Eric Welch
St. Joseph, MO
http://www.ponyexpress.net/~ewelch

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