Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]At 06:06 PM 11/17/03 -0800, Eric Welch wrote: >What is applingly lacking is a willingness for people on both sides of >this issue to understand: > >1) There is no right to privacy in the Consittution Eric Thanks for a worthy and interesting post. I am not necessarily disagreeing with your interpretation of the Constitution, but the "penumbral" right to privacy has been recognized by the United States Supreme Court since GRISWOLD v CONNECTICUT, which led to the refusal of certiorari in LOVISI v SLAYTON in 1968, ROE v WADE, and off of the cases leading up to the recent Texas sodomy case. The issue is whether the "due process" clauses of the Constitution -- guaranteeing US citizens that they cannot be denied of life, liberty, or property "without due process of law". This can mean either just the first or both of the following: a) These clauses simply ensure that a citizen can insist on "notice and a hearing" before he is so deprived ("procedural" due process") or b) These clauses go farther and ensure that a citizen can insist on some concept of the rights historically afforded to a citizen of this Great Republic or the United Kingdom from which it sprang ("substantive due process") The issue is immensely complex but, to put it simply, procedural due process has had a pretty consistent recognition since the foundation of the US and guarantees today that a property owner can insist on legal process before his land is condemned by the state, while a student at a publicly funded university can insist on the same before being booted out. Substantive due process had a lively existence during the later 1800's but came under attack after the LOCHNER decision of the early 1900's outlawing minimum wage laws as violative of the freedom of contract clause guaranteed under the Constitution. While I personally find the decision dead on target and really sound law, this decision led to a huge outcry from the legal academics, then, as now, hanging by their fingernails off the chasm of the left. The result was that substantive due process fell into disfavour for sixty years, though it came back to life with GRISWOLD in 1965. GRISWOLD was a case which arose over whether or not Connecticut could outlaw the sale of contraceptives to unmarried women, and the Court came down by resuurecting substantive due process to invalidate this Nutmeg State legislation. (I am of two minds on this case, though I do love Potter Stewart's dissent, which begins, "[T]his is an uncommonly silly law. However it is the right of the State of Connecticut to adopt uncommonly silly laws.") Personally, I tend to regard the LOVISI and Texas cases as being clearly proper, and GRISWOLD and ROE as having been decided on shaky legal grounds for political reasons -- in the end, the Courts which handed down these decisions were guilty of the very "Lochnerizing" they had previously condemned. So, yes, in the eyes of the Federal Government, there now IS a right to privacy, and Federal courts act all the time to protect this right. However, I was using the term in its broader meaning, Eric -- would a family desire privacy for a funeral of a young member killed unexpectedly? And the answer to that, of course, is yes in almost all cases. Marc msmall@infionline.net FAX: +540/343-7315 Cha robh bąs fir gun ghrąs fir! - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html