Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/03/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Wait, stop, whoa! Don't pitch in your computer just yet...I think you're only a few 'dabs' away from being on target with the retouching. By 'dabbing' I mean that rather than using a swipe or a paint stroke to cover an area, do it in small little sections...imagine using your brush in an up and down motion moving only ever so much each time like the pointilst painters might have done. That way your changes are less obvious. I can't fathom why one screen made your work appear so washed out and the other did not but I can tell you that when I do my work for my web site I make sure it looks good on my screen and forget it. It would take a lifetime plus to ensure that my work looks good on every monitor..and that's just not possible. If someone likes my work and wants to see more I always encourage them to set an appointment and come by to see the real thing...that gets around the monitor situation for good! Back to Photoshop...an excellent, excellent book that I highly recommend is The Photoshop Book for Digital Photographers by Kelby. If I could have only one Photoshop book in my library it would be this one. It will answer lots of your questions. Lea - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith R. Wessel" <keith@wbalaw.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW and conflicted with PhotoShop > Yes Lea, your comments are very helpful but in big part because it has me > asking more questions and scratching my head. I understand your point that > it is not a screen problem in this instance. However, in an earlier post I > was asking about color saturation and the problem I had with colors and > blacks being washed out on a bright flat screen when the colors looked rich > on my screen. > > What do you mean by 'dabbing' new pixels? Guess its time to spend another > few hundred hours figuring out software techniques, or, maybe I should just > accept that I am old and get my enlarger unpacked and go back to the old way > :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lea" <lea@whinydogpress.com> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW and conflicted with PhotoShop > > > > Well, I think so far as hiding your changes it's a technique problem > > rather than a screen problem. It appears that you 'painted over' the > > bright spots using longish brush strokes; changes like this are best > > done by 'dabbing' new pixels over the old ones...not making a 'line' > > with any of the tools in PS. And if cloning, always be certain to sample > > from very near the offending spot...that way you're more likely to cover > > with correctly colored/toned pixels...and don't hesitate to resample > > often from a new area as tones change quickly when moving across an > > image. > > > > You may have made the change by using a sampled single color as it > > appears that your change is a lightish gray but lacks the 'grain' of the > > surrounding area. To avoid that, you could select the newly painted area > > and add grain via a filter or you could have selected an area with the > > selection lasso tool, copied it, dragged it over the bright spots and > > dropped it down. If you do it this way, always be sure to feather your > > selection so the edges aren't obvious. > > > > Hope I've been of some help. > > Lea > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Keith R. Wessel" <keith@wbalaw.com> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW and conflicted with PhotoShop > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. I could not see the changes at all. Since > > you and > > > Sonny made your comments I turned up the brightness on my screen and > > sure > > > enough I could see them. Particularly loss of grain. I had my screen > > set > > > so that the blacks are very deep so the picture looked the way I would > > print > > > in a darkroom. > > > > > > This just brings me back to how does one anticipate other screen > > settings > > > and what will be seen? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "lea" <lea@whinydogpress.com> > > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW and conflicted with PhotoShop > > > > > > > > > > Do you consider it cheating to use the automatic door locks in your > > car > > > > rather than pushing them down and pulling them up by hand? > > > > > > > > Technology advances, things change. Don't hesitate to use the tools > > > > available to get the job done. > > > > > > > > I believe someone else pointed out that the changes made in the > > image > > > > were obvious...that's the only bad thing I saw but other than that I > > > > think you're right on track. > > > > > > > > My 2 cents... > > > > Lea > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Keith R. Wessel" <keith@wbalaw.com> > > > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:38 PM > > > > Subject: [Leica] PAW and conflicted with PhotoShop > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am putting up my efforts for weeks 10 and 11. In week 10 I > > took a > > > > > photograph that I particularly liked at my associates wedding > > > > reception. > > > > > But, as I was looking at it I didn't like all of the clutter in > > the > > > > > background. > > > > > > > > > > see http://wesselphoto.com/paw/10/slides/72_5A_0229.html > > > > > > > > > > so I used PhotoShop and took out the clutter. > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > http://wesselphoto.com/paw/10/slides/altered.html > > > > > > > > > > Is that cheating? Sure would not have tried this in the darkroom. > > > > Maybe I > > > > > should check the archives -- I suspect there has been a previous > > > > debate. > > > > > > > > > > Other new ones: > > > > > > > > > > http://wesselphoto.com/paw/10/index.html > > > > > > > > > > http://wesselphoto.com/paw/11/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html