Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/09/20
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I don't think there is any disagreement between us, and I'm not dreaming of lower prices. Just because it might cost Leica $3K to make a digi M body doesn't meant many buyers will be willing to pay $5K for it - or whatever the numbers might come out to. Right now, I don't think folks expect their digital cameras to last them many, many decades. It's not perceived as an "investment" in the same way. I am not dis'ing Leica for profiteering or anything. Far from it. As far as I can tell, profits are hard for them to come by God bless 'em. I'm not really criticizing them at all - except for not getting an M-mount digital body out the door. Frank Dernie wrote: > I am curious how you think a digital M could be sold for the same > price as a film M. Not only does all the R&D have to be amortised, but > where there is currently just a pressure plate there will have to be a > (very) expensive sensor and all the electronics to make it all work. > Dream on! > Frank > > > On 20 Sep, 2004, at 00:03, Scott McLoughlin wrote: > >> Roger what B.D. said. APS sensor at 6MP or so with >> good noise control at higher ISO (IMHO, 800 has to >> be very, very usable) is just fine. Just let the customers >> get used to the crop, tell them which lenses just won't >> work and get something out the door. Hi megapix >> count is just a distraction, and full frame ain't gonna >> happen at anything but a stratospheric price point. >> >> I think by putting off an RF M for so long, Leica's just >> raising the bar higher and higher for itself, setting >> up customers for an eventual let down. For digital, the >> product cycle has to more than one or two designs >> per decade. >> >> RD-1 is a first data point in a digital M body. It's too pricey >> for what it is, but it shows everybody that a company can >> get such a body out the door without moving heaven and >> earth or like heroics. >> >> FWIW, I believe the "price-point" for an APS sensor digi >> M is about what the film bodies cost today: $2,700 USD. >> Anything more, and only the collectors and fondlers will >> buy them. At a much higher price than the current M's, >> Leica faithful shooters (and M newbies) will buy M7's and >> MP's for shooting film, but go elsewhere for digital wants/ >> needs. >> >> Again, just IMHO. I guess we'll have to wait 2 years to >> find out :-) >> >> >> B. D. Colen wrote: >> >>> What would be the point? Quite simply the point would be to use them >>> with whatever crop factor is necessary. I can think of allot worse >>> things than having the 35 Summilux ASPH morph into what might be the >>> world's best 50 mm lens. ;-) >>> >>> And don't put any money on the image quality of the digital M being any >>> better than that of the Nikon D70 or the Digital Rebel. It's the build >>> that sucks on those two, not the image quality. >>> >>> Oh, P.S. Leica has not for years been the company we all so fondly >>> remember as E. Leitz, and some of our memories of that company may be a >>> bit too nostalgia clouded as it is. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org >>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of >>> Jonathan Borden >>> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 5:44 PM >>> To: Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Digital M/Digital Rebel was Re: [Leica] Lost Faith in Leica >>> >>> >>> >>> B. D. Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> This just in from Mars: >>>> I would buy a digital M - IF it was price-point competitive with Canon >>>> >>> >>> >>>> and Nikon bodies offering the same image quality. In other words, >>>> if Leica produces a digital M for about $3K to 4K, that is >>>> comparable in image quality, megp count, etc., to a Canon Rebel or >>>> Nikon D70, I wouldn't buy it. If, however, they produce a 10+ megp >>>> digital M that compares to the high end Canons or Nikons, I would >>>> indeed buy it. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Amen. >>> >>> Of course if they made a digital M that was of the quality of a >>> Digital Rebel then the company formerly known as E. Leitz will have >>> entirely ceased to exist. >>> >>> My hope is that they are being properly anally compulsive and >>> delaying the digital M until a 10mp+ sensor can be made that works >>> well with the current crop of wide angle M lenses ... otherwise what >>> would be the point of a digital M? >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information