Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/01/21

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Subject: Was RE: [Leica] DSLR choice - now Zeiss-Ikon
From: bruce at ralgo.nl (bruce)
Date: Sat Jan 21 01:50:56 2006
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Frank? He supposedly has three of every camera (Leica) .................

B.

On 21-jan-2006, at 0:46, David C. Mason wrote:

> At one point there was a small video on the web of some guys who
> decided to ignite an old Next computer as it was in a magnesium
> casing. The video was funny because they didn't know how to ignite it
> or even if it was 100% magnesium or something else. They did
> eventually burn it but it took some industrial help.
>
> I made a brief search but can't seem to find this video out on the web
> anymore - pehaps someone wants to recreate it with a camera?
>
>
> Dave
>
> On 1/20/06, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> It is still marketing b*llocks.
>> Magnesium is not a good material for this purpose.
>> Aluminium, brass, stainless steel, even zinc and polycarbonate are OK
>> - magnesium will corrode. Even unplated aluminium cameras such as
>> FOCAs don't look too good nowadays compared to their painted brass or
>> chrome plated aluminium contemporaries. If anybody has a magnesium
>> camera and chips the paint off it in the way that is commonly seen as
>> "cool" on brass shelled Leicas it will be a mess of white powder and
>> blisters in no time.
>> Magnesium is of course much used in aerospace and motor sport but
>> ONLY where its weight is a benefit. It is NOT used because it is
>> strong - IT IS WEAK, it is not used for its resilience IT IS BRITTLE,
>> it is not used where corrosion could happen unless a robust coating
>> has been applied.
>> Magnesium is weak, brittle and prone to corrosion. Its only benefit
>> in cameras is a few grams weight saving and its cheapness to cast. It
>> has replaced titanium as the latest buzz word camera body material.
>> It is in no way as good as titanium for this purpose but many times
>> cheaper to manufacture for such an application.
>> Magnesium has been almost entirely replaced by composites in high
>> tech engineering nowadays.
>> If you must fall for the magnesium fashion take great care not to
>> scratch the paint down to the metal!
>> BTW it seems that the Zeiss Ikon camera is actually the latest in the
>> line of Cosina collaborations, after Voigtlander. Cosina changed
>> their plastic shelled "Voigtlanders" for metal shells which I am sure
>> feel heavier. In functionality there will be no gain even if they
>> feel a bit nicer.
>> Your quoting from the manufacturers propaganda - they would say that
>> wouldn't they?
>> Frank
>>
>> On 20 Jan, 2006, at 22:45, Bill Marshall wrote:
>>
>>> This issue of magnesium alloy as the material of choice for the
>>> outer cladding of the Zeiss Ikon has been treated as if it's some
>>> kind of a scam by Zeiss & Cosina to substitute a cheap, corosive
>>> material for the real thing or as if it's some kind of fashion
>>> statement to sell cameras with a new glitzy "look" aimed at high
>>> consumer appeal.
>>>
>>> The fact is that the top-of-the-line professional film SLRs made by
>>> Leica, Nikon, & Canon all use magnesium alloys in their body
>>> cladding - companies that pride themselves on the build quality of
>>> their cameras & with reputations based on past results in doing so.
>>> These are not disposable cameras, or digital wonders designed to be
>>> replaced in 18 months, or point & shoots made to look sleek in
>>> someone's purse. These are professional cameras for rugged use in
>>> any environment. So at the very least, it can be fairly said that
>>> the Zeiss Ikon is adhering to the highest level of state of the art
>>> in its choice of materals.
>>>
>>> Any search of the internet for applications of magnesium alloys is
>>> replete with the wide range of its applications & with technical
>>> reports of how corrosion issues have been solved. Its uses range
>>> form aeronautics to aerospace to missile technology to automotive
>>> applications as well as cameras, computers, watches, & appliances -
>>> in other words, in the most harsh & demanding environments as well
>>> as in applications very similar to the uses for a camera. The
>>> engineers in all of these arenas must know a thing or two.
>>>
>>> Zeiss Ikon reports on its website the envrionmental testing it did
>>> to subject the camera to extremes of humidity, temperature, shock,
>>> & vibration. But don't believe them. Here is what Nikon says about
>>> the F6:
>>>
>>> "As you'd expect, the F6 satisfies the uncompromising standards of
>>> reliability that professionals command. An aluminum-alloy die-cast
>>> chasis, magnesium-alloy front body and covers (top, bottom)
>>> . . ." (This is identical to the construction of the body of the
>>> Zeiss Ikon.)
>>>
>>> "Harsh environmental testing: To ensure the camera could withstand
>>> the most severe conditions and environments, the F6 has been
>>> subjected to rigorous testing. The F6's . . . reliability is a
>>> function of . . (the) right materials for the right place . . . Our
>>> engineers considered countless situations for camera use, then
>>> submitted the F6 to real life testing to virtually guarantee
>>> exceptional dependability wherever and whenever photographers  
>>> shoot."
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
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In reply to: Message from billgem at hotmail.com (Bill Marshall) (Was RE: [Leica] DSLR choice - now Zeiss-Ikon)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) (Was RE: [Leica] DSLR choice - now Zeiss-Ikon)
Message from dcm at pobox.com (David C. Mason) (Was RE: [Leica] DSLR choice - now Zeiss-Ikon)