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Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat Nov 11 04:50:46 2006
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On Nov 10, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:

> Steve
> When I was growing up we had a family friend who survived  the  
> Bataan Death March. It looks as if Mr. Powell was Army Air Corps,  
> same as my Dad. (also a POW but of the Germans. Another very  
> poignant image, especially in these times.


in light of everything, the continued death of our young men and  
women in far away places,  is all the more poignant....thanks Walt...


Steve

>
> Walt
>
> Steve Barbour wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> When the image is cropped it becomes much cleaner looking. But,   
>>> even though it is cleaner it is not as real. An uncropped b&w   
>>> version, at least to me, makes it better. Otherwise, its seems  
>>> to  take a graphic exercise appeal and lose it's "glimpse of  
>>> reality"  No matter what you decide, it is a real keeper. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> I see what you mean Walt...it's really a hard call....I lean to  
>> the  cropped color version...  but in bw I favor the whole  
>> scene... oh  well,  thanks for your thoughts..they are very  
>> valuable to me...
>>
>> here is another from the same place... for today, veteran's day...
>>
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/pow.jpg.html
>>
>>
>> a keeper... ? too simple and  cryptic....?
>>
>> maybe I should post it separately...
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Ted Grant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Steve Barbour showed revised versions:
>>>>> Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> several people wisely suggested a crop, and I did this...
>>>>>> also several wondered about which is best, color vs bw....
>>>>>> so do I... what do you think ?
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross+flower.jpg.html
>>>>>> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross   
>>>>>> +flowerbw.jpg.html<<<<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve a very interesting comparison indeed, both cropping and    
>>>>> colour vs. B&W.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pre-crop:
>>>>> I "almost" like the more open feel about it and can say "I  
>>>>> like  it  un-cropped". Almost! Even though I thought the crop  
>>>>> would be  better  I'm now questioning it. But the right side is  
>>>>> a  distraction, so  maybe if you had cropped it first and  
>>>>> posted it  cropped, then we'd  not have the opportunity to see  
>>>>> it both ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cropped:
>>>>> But even with the crop done right on the mark, I now have  
>>>>> this   feeling it's jammed too tightly together. Unfortunately  
>>>>> this   happens sometimes in photography. And I'd have to accept  
>>>>> the   cropped version simply because the items on the right  
>>>>> are  without  question a distraction.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose if one were to put their "honesty as a   
>>>>> photojournalist"  aside for a moment and clonned over the   
>>>>> disturbing pieces then the  crammed space wouldn't be there  
>>>>> and  the picture would be fine.  However, as photojournalists  
>>>>> that's  not our cup of tea.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it needs to either stay cropped, or maybe try to burn the   
>>>>> right  side down to a slightly darker level to cut the   
>>>>> distraction. Not  dark dark, but subtly.
>>>>>
>>>>> The conversion to B&W does absolutely nothing for the picture  
>>>>> at   all. This is due to the yellow flower playing such a  
>>>>> strong part  of  the over all picture in colour that it doesn't  
>>>>> have in B&W.   Actually it merely becomes a distracting blob of  
>>>>> white waiting  to  be "spotted out!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Given this situation is on a list there will be at least 809    
>>>>> versions, 3 in agreement, and 3 who don't care. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I still want to see the picture of you throwing the   
>>>>> yellow  flower precisely where it is for maximum effect of   
>>>>> composition! ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NOT...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks Ted... I learned a lot from this exercise,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and one of the things I learned earlier,  never change the    
>>>> composition to enhance the shot...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and if you do never admit it....Steve
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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