Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/11/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Wow - thanks for the report, Don. I see what you mean about needing through-put. I'd have to shoot a LOT of film, although a camera club might do well to buy one if they had enough members... ab On 11/29/06, Don Dory <don.dory@gmail.com> wrote: > Adam, > The c-41 machines are going into the landfill. The non-digital printers > are > going into the landfill as even the fourth world is digital now. The lower > end digital printers are going into the landfill; the 390 was Fuji's top of > the line machine at roughtly $250,000 five or six years ago. Now you can > buy a reconditioned one for under $40,000. In February they were close to > $50,000 so the depredciation is huge. As to cost, the 390 is hugely > reliable, maintenance costs are really very small as they swallow huge > amounts of paper(roughly 4500 4X6 prints an hour all day) without > complaint. They work off a chemical cartridge that is about $100 which > supplies developer, bleach, and fix; one cartridge will do maybe 10,000 > prints if I remember correctly and I may not be. The real issue is that > they need a goodly number of prints a day to stay properly replinished, > possibly as few as a few hundred. Plus the electricity to keep 120 liters > of chemistry at 38C. > > The smaller labs are going to an ink jet system that delivers prettty good > quality very flexibly. > > Don > don.dory@gmail.com > > > On 11/29/06, Adam Bridge <abridge@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Which makes me wonder what the cost of one of those units that would > > be tossed out would be and how expensive they would be to operate? > > > > Does anyone know? If these mini-labs are being taken out they have to > > go SOMEWHERE. Are they being sold to private owners? Recycled? Land > > fill? > > > > I figure someone out there knows the answers... > > > > ab > > > > On 11/29/06, Eric Korenman <faneuil@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I also pay $2 a roll to my local CVS for film 'develop - no cut' > > > Then I read an article that most CVS and similar stores plan to remove > > film > > > processing equipment in the next 1 to 2 years. > > > Enjoy it while it lasts... Cheap processing, scratched film, a confused > > > teenager who keeps asking "so..you really don't want prints??" > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/27/06, Adam Bridge <abridge@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > That's interesting because I notice that the in-store mini-lab at our > > > > local Longs does a good business. When I shoot TCN they are able to > > > > process the film for me, sleeve it, NOT cut it, and I pay them $2 / > > > > roll which seems decent to me. > > > > > > > > In Sacramento there's still a good B&W lab and at least one color lab > > > > that seem worthwhile. > > > > > > > > So I feel fortunate. > > > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > On 11/27/06, Don Dory <don.dory@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Tina, > > > > > I'm sorry that your film got screwed. I suspect that their > > chemistry > > > > was > > > > > way out of control. They aren't doing much film either and the > > clerks > > > > don't > > > > > typically understand an action line on the control chart, just that > > the > > > > > manager was yelling at them to get the machine up as a customer > > wanted a > > > > one > > > > > hour. > > > > > > > > > > If you shoot film, try E-6 down here in Atlanta. They are a very > > clean > > > > dip > > > > > and dunk lab for color and hand process B&W although in FG7 > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > don.dory@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/27/06, Tina Manley <images@infoave.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > LUG: > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the totally unintended consequences of buying the M8 is > > that I > > > > > > have returned to using film. I always carry at least two cameras > > and > > > > > > since I've bought the M8, my second camera of choice is the M7. > > > > > > I > > > > > > can carry the same lenses and not worry about two systems. I > > > > > > had, > > > > > > however, forgotten about my frustrations with film. I planned on > > > > > > taking mostly photos of family at Thanksgiving inside houses, so > > > > > > I > > > > > > carried lots of 400 ISO TMax and 800 ISO Fuji film. I didn't > > > > > > plan > > on > > > > > > coming back through the mountains of NC and photographing > > waterfalls > > > > > > in the brilliant sunshine of a warm November day. The 800 speed > > was > > > > > > much too high for most of what I was shooting. I was standing > > under > > > > > > the Dry Fall waterfall when I ran out of film and had to open the > > > > > > camera and reload, trying to shield the camera from the > > water. When > > > > > > I got it reloaded, it refused to take photos. I had to replace > > the > > > > > > batteries. When I got home, I took the film by Walgreens. They > > > > > > developed the color negatives within an hour but the B&W will > > > > > > take > > > > > > two weeks. I would have brought it home and put it in my Jobo > > > > > > but > > > > > > the chemicals have expired and I would have to order more small > > > > > > quantities that would probably expire before I take more film > > > > > > photos. I picked up the color prints and film from Walgreens and > > > > > > mounted the color negatives in slide mounts to scan in my Nikon > > > > > > LS5000. I intended to compare photos taken with the M7 and film > > > > > > using the 35/2.0 Asph lens and the exact same photos taken with > > the > > > > > > M8 using the 28/2.8 Asph lens. I had lots of examples - people, > > > > > > waterfalls, statues - in many different lighting situations. I > > > > > > cannot get a single acceptable scan of the color negative > > film. The > > > > > > waterfalls are a brilliant purple or blue. If I use the white > > > > > > balance on the waterfall, the rest of the photo is dark and > > > > > > murky. I'm still working on it but don't have high hopes that > > I'll > > > > > > be able to compare anything. The digital photos are already with > > my > > > > > > stock agency. I want another M8. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > > > > Tina Manley, ASMP, NPPA > > > > > > http://www.tinamanley.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >