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Subject: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0
From: jhnichols at bellsouth.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Tue Jan 30 07:36:56 2007
References: <01b801c74423$73acb130$6101a8c0@jimnichols><45BF2C96.7070209@summaventures.com> <48EE864F-6E0B-44BF-87D6-11AB61D7C761@mindspring.com>

Ric,

I had considered that possibility.  As far as I know, Adobe only sells the 
latest, but there may be resellers who have the earlier versions.  I will 
look around.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ric Carter" <ricc@mindspring.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0


> Are early versions of Photoshop still for sale at reduced prices?
>
> This may be a lower cost substitute for some people.
>
> Ric Carter
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/ricc/
>
> On Jan 30, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> my comments on PSE5:
>>
>> I upgraded to PSE5 a couple of weeks ago because of my desire to be  able 
>> to use levels. That was the single reason. Frankly it does  that in a 
>> limited way, but in my opinion the User Interface to PSE5  is awful.
>>
>> UI:
>>
>> I say in my opinion deliberately because it is my opinion, but then  that 
>> is what UI design is all about, providing a good experience to  the user. 
>> To this user the UI singularly fails to do that. The user  is forced into 
>> a way of handling and storing my images which is  Adobe's way and not, 
>> probably the way that many users would want to.
>>
>> Several of the tools have been moved and the design of the sliders  etc 
>> changed. Previously they had been perfectly OK. If it ain't  bust...
>>
>>
>> Levels:
>>
>> FWIW I work entirely with TIFFs until I do something like putting  the 
>> images in the LUG gallery; as afr as I am aware all of these  comments 
>> apply equally to JPEG manipulation.
>>
>> Levels, or lack of them, has been for me one of the major  differences 
>> between PSE and PS. My workflow is based upon scanned  C41 B&W (BW400CN) 
>> images stored as RGB TIFFs. Generally I convert  these to B&W and then 
>> work on them as required. Levels is one of  the last steps one would go 
>> through.
>>
>> Unfortunately "adjust colour levels" - which is what you get -  requires 
>> a colour image, so you have to work entirely in colour or  convert a B&W 
>> image back to colour! The levels that you get from  the UI are then only 
>> adjustable at certain points via sliders, no  manual dragging of the 
>> curves. The preview seems to take a longer  time to react than I would 
>> have expected, but that is a minor  point. Finally you cannot save the 
>> output from a set of levels  adjustments independently of the image. In 
>> other words you can't  save the adjustments to import and re-use.
>>
>> PSE5 adds a number of features which are aimed at the digital video 
>> capture market and at doing the sorts of things that I guess that  most 
>> LUGgers probably don't do; most of which aren't "traditional 
>> photographic" manipulation.
>>
>> Gripes apart PS/PSE does enable you to do a lot which you couldn't  do in 
>> a darkroom and that is its strength.
>>
>> Peter Dzwig
>>
>> Jim Nichols wrote:
>>> LUGGERS,
>>> In my digital endeavors, I work with JPEG images, not RAW or the  other 
>>> more detailed files.  For some years, I have used Adobe  Photoshop LE as 
>>> my editing software.  I am now interested in  upgrading, and today 
>>> downloaded the beta version of Lightroom.  In  experimenting with 
>>> Lightroom, I find I miss the functionality of  PS, but can't justify the 
>>> professional package. I wondered if  anyone not requiring work with RAW 
>>> images has compared Lightroom  and Photoshop Elements 5.0?  If so, 
>>> please share your opinions.
>>>   Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
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