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Subject: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0
From: glehrer at san.rr.com (Jerry Lehrer)
Date: Tue Jan 30 17:23:33 2007
References: <01b801c74423$73acb130$6101a8c0@jimnichols> <45BF2C96.7070209@summaventures.com> <48EE864F-6E0B-44BF-87D6-11AB61D7C761@mindspring.com> <003d01c74484$78341700$6101a8c0@jimnichols>

Jim,

Is there such a thing as a used Photoshop?.  Is there a second hand 
market for it?

Jerry

Jim Nichols wrote:
> Ric,
>
> I had considered that possibility.  As far as I know, Adobe only sells 
> the latest, but there may be resellers who have the earlier versions.  
> I will look around.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Carter" <ricc@mindspring.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0
>
>
>> Are early versions of Photoshop still for sale at reduced prices?
>>
>> This may be a lower cost substitute for some people.
>>
>> Ric Carter
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/ricc/
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote:
>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> my comments on PSE5:
>>>
>>> I upgraded to PSE5 a couple of weeks ago because of my desire to be  
>>> able to use levels. That was the single reason. Frankly it does  
>>> that in a limited way, but in my opinion the User Interface to PSE5  
>>> is awful.
>>>
>>> UI:
>>>
>>> I say in my opinion deliberately because it is my opinion, but then  
>>> that is what UI design is all about, providing a good experience to  
>>> the user. To this user the UI singularly fails to do that. The user  
>>> is forced into a way of handling and storing my images which is  
>>> Adobe's way and not, probably the way that many users would want to.
>>>
>>> Several of the tools have been moved and the design of the sliders  
>>> etc changed. Previously they had been perfectly OK. If it ain't  
>>> bust...
>>>
>>>
>>> Levels:
>>>
>>> FWIW I work entirely with TIFFs until I do something like putting  
>>> the images in the LUG gallery; as afr as I am aware all of these  
>>> comments apply equally to JPEG manipulation.
>>>
>>> Levels, or lack of them, has been for me one of the major  
>>> differences between PSE and PS. My workflow is based upon scanned  
>>> C41 B&W (BW400CN) images stored as RGB TIFFs. Generally I convert  
>>> these to B&W and then work on them as required. Levels is one of  
>>> the last steps one would go through.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately "adjust colour levels" - which is what you get -  
>>> requires a colour image, so you have to work entirely in colour or  
>>> convert a B&W image back to colour! The levels that you get from  
>>> the UI are then only adjustable at certain points via sliders, no  
>>> manual dragging of the curves. The preview seems to take a longer  
>>> time to react than I would have expected, but that is a minor  
>>> point. Finally you cannot save the output from a set of levels  
>>> adjustments independently of the image. In other words you can't  
>>> save the adjustments to import and re-use.
>>>
>>> PSE5 adds a number of features which are aimed at the digital video 
>>> capture market and at doing the sorts of things that I guess that  
>>> most LUGgers probably don't do; most of which aren't "traditional 
>>> photographic" manipulation.
>>>
>>> Gripes apart PS/PSE does enable you to do a lot which you couldn't  
>>> do in a darkroom and that is its strength.
>>>
>>> Peter Dzwig
>>>
>>>


Replies: Reply from jhnichols at bellsouth.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0)
Reply from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0)
In reply to: Message from jhnichols at bellsouth.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0)
Message from pdzwig at summaventures.com (Peter Dzwig) ([Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0)
Message from ricc at mindspring.com (Ric Carter) ([Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0)
Message from jhnichols at bellsouth.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0)