Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/03/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]HCB was most fortunate to have someone else process and print his work. The Aperture at 50 show I saw last year really brought something home. His print was far and above the finest in the show. We're talking about images from the best of the best and his work stood out. Have you ever noticed how many of the worlds best shooters are French? Almost makes up for how rude Parisians are. ;-) I was kidding about Smith, except he was quoted as being in favor of good shadow detail or "guts in the shadows". If you don't get it right up front there is no going back later. Most of what I read on the LUG concerning exposure and development was both true and false at the same time......Kinda hit and miss without really getting it together. Sharing our methods for success and failure seems much more valuable than constant blather about this lens and that bokeh. Now, if only I could track down some good looking birds as did you. Images and dinner all at the same time. :-P Walt Luis Ripoll wrote: > Thanks Walt, I would only tell that Zone System knowledge helps to > understand better the B&W photography, but is hard to use except if you > work > with sheet films, it is a great theorical base... But our friend HCB has > never used it... > > Saludos cordiales > Luis > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de > Walt Johnson > Enviado el: viernes, 02 de marzo de 2007 0:44 > Para: Leica Users Group > Asunto: Re: [Leica] Exposure and Development > > Luis > > Smith, among many other shooters, used this same approach. The Zone system > is great and Minor White did the best book on it many years back. > It is a bit awkward for roll film, especially 35mm. If you shoot under the > same conditions for the entire roll it then all well and good. How many > of > us do that with 35mm? Nonetheless, it does give the photographer an > excellent frame of reference for his or her work. > > The water bath system you mentioned is a way of controlling those out of > control brightness ranges. There again, not real applicable to 35mm work. > Every now and then I do a few zone system tests but only for the fun of it. > As I'm sure you know, after a while all this becomes second nature. Thank > goodness! Then we can get about making images. :-) > > Walt > > Luis Ripoll wrote: > >> Hi Walt, >> >> I agree with you, and this is a general old rule I didn't know was >> established by Eugene Smith. The only thing is that developping for >> shadows on my experience increase the grain. I'm no longer developping >> myself my films, when I does it I've decided to do long and very >> compensate developping processes, sometimes with stoping the >> development and putting the film in a water bad. IMO, except if you >> search some special effects or you work with medium or bigger format, >> a carefully develpping is enough for almost all situations. >> >> The zone system is a very good school to learn and know better the >> photography techniques, many years ago I've played it, now I think >> that it is similar to the first piano exercises for a pianist. >> >> Saludos cordiales >> Luis >> >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org >> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En >> nombre de Walt Johnson Enviado el: jueves, 01 de marzo de 2007 23:01 >> Para: Leica Users Group >> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Exposure and Development >> >> >> W. Eugene Smith taught me a fantastic way of putting this together..... >> >> Expose for the shadows .......Develop for the highlights... >> >> Processing has little or no effect on shadow detail but is the cats >> meow in terms of highlights..... While Ansel made almost exclusive use >> of the reflected meter most pros today can be seen reading the scale >> on a Minolta incident meter. When talking about the effects of >> exposure and development on film it's better to use "dense" and >> "thin". Best way to get a grip on all this is to practice. Next time >> you find yourself lusting after a new lens buy film instead. >> >> Walt >> >> >>>> On 3/1/07 1:53 PM, "Lottermoser George" <imagist3@mac.com> typed: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Under exposure and overdevelopment do not properly describe fine >>>>> photographic technique. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The terms: >>>>> 'over exposure' implies too light and blown highlights 'under >>>>> exposure' implies too dark and lost shadows 'over development' >>>>> implies blown highlights 'under development' implies lost shadows. >>>>> In all cases these terms also imply poor technique, and lack of >>>>> control and/or understanding of what's going on with your materials >>>>> and chemistry. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>> george@imagist.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >