Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/11/14

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Subject: [Leica] (sans objet)
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)
Date: Wed Nov 14 17:01:31 2007
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Yes Len, thanks. I am curious if that threaded collar is meant to be removed 
for use. I don't need too since I have the earlier
Elmar  dedicated to my Visoflexes. I think this must be what Michiel has 
described as a light baffle? If it does come off it would
mean that the Tele Elmar would thread more deeply into the adaptors. Sounds 
like Henning has identified a variation on the earlier
Elmar that is different to mine. This must be what Claude has, I think.

Cheers
Hoppy 

-----Original Message-----
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] (sans objet)

Hoppy,

The smaller thread of the Tele-Elmar fits the Bellows adapter 16558.  
It also fits the 65mm Elmar and a 90mm lens. My Tele-Elmar is  
engraved with the number 55.

Len


On Nov 14, 2007, at 6:01 PM, G Hopkinson wrote:

> Claude has said that it is not the Tele Elmar.
> This morning I found my vernier calipers. The external measurement  
> of the thread of my Elmar 135 1960 is 41.6mm. The larger thread
> on my Tele Elmar 1965 (first version) is 38.1mm. It has a smaller  
> thread, almost covered, which is 32.9mm. This fits the OTZFO and
> also the adaptor 16558 that comes with the Bellows II.  I only use  
> my earlier lens with the Viso and keep the Tele Elmar assembled
> as a normal 135. I cannot find any more information on another  
> variation of the Elmar (1960) in any of the resource books I have
> (pocket book, accessory guide, Leica lens compendium or  
> instructions for reproduction devices).
> Claude, can you post a picture of what you have?
> Henning, do you have that later Tele Elmar? The head unscrews on  
> that one as well?
> Michiel, what does that light baffle look like that you mention? My  
> Tele Elmar has a smaller thread visible, almost covered by a
> set-screwed ring. Mine is engraved with the number 50. Is this ring  
> what you are talking about?
> Cheers
> Hoppy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Leica] (sans objet)
>
>> Hi Henning,
>>
>> Don't mix up the Elmar and the tele-elmar.
>> To mount the tele-elmar you have to pull of the lowest light baffle.
>> the large thread to the front is only used to mount the lens head in
>> the normal schnecke.
>> The later tele-elmar had a different mount which i don't think can
>> unscrew the head.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Michiel Fokkema
>>
>> Henning Wulff wrote:
>>>>  Claude, I must have sent too much information. You may like to
>>>> re-read my reply. You need the OTZFO universal focusing adaptor,
>>>> the
>>>>  number is 16464 or 16465, The other adaptors screw into that one.
>>>> It does fit. I have it in front of me. I assembled it for you to
>>>>  double check.
>>>>  Camera body>Visoflex II or III>OTZFO>16471>16472> lens head. This
>>>> is the Leitz Wetzlar f4 135, made between 1960 and 1965. It has a
>>>>  chrome body. There was a version sold as head only. I haven't
>>>> seen that. It was replace by the Tele-Elmar
>>>>
>
> No, both these lenses are Tele-Elmars. Clearly the identical optical
> construction; just when you unscrew the head of the one it has
> non-standard attachment threads and location of threads. I'll get the
> details tomorrow after I look at it again.
>
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