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Subject: [Leica] Leica Oskar Barnack Award (LOBA)
From: douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)
Date: Sun Dec 30 09:46:42 2007
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That's right,
depending on where you're intending to work in the business there are 
also special courses on marketing, sales, running a shop or studio, on 
people photography, rights issues, industrial photography, product 
photography, processing and - recently introduced - digital photography 
and workflows.
You can actually start was an apprentice with a qualified "Meister" and 
take vocational training courses to attain your qualifications (can take 
up to 4 years), or study to become a Diplom Fotograf within 3 years (BA 
Photography I suppose), but the former are more likely to get a job.
Only a Meister is considered to be qualified sufficiently to train 
apprentices in his/her business, though what some "less" qualified 
photographers do is set up a business and keep a Meister on their books 
as an advisor or part time staff member in order to gain access to 
"professional" contracts or projects.
I had thought of taking some of these courses a few years ago after I 
was made redundant, but then my translating business took off like a 
Saturn V and I never found the time to spare - so I'm still just a 
"happy snapping amateur" as far as the German market is concerned (which 
of course hasn't prevented me selling a few shots here and there under a 
different title i.e. "Bildbearbeitung" (Image Processing).
Cheers
Douglas

slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>  I'm told the state test is fairly extensive, from the general physics 
> of photography to being able to mix chemicals from scratch. Never mind 
> retouching negs and the like. I wonder if they've included digital 
> imaging?
> s.d.
>
> On Dec 30, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Douglas Sharp wrote:
>
> Hello, Slobodan,
> Geselle, Meister and Techniker (Apprentice, Master and technician).
> the laws preventing outsiders entering certain professions here 
> originated in the early days of National Socialism as an instrument 
> for keeping "Non Germans" (you know who I mean) out of the trades and 
> professions. The European Union is trying to break down these laws at 
> present, but is still meeting with strong opposition from the 
> established "Guilds".
> Douglas
>
>
> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>> I remember that. I think there are three levels, and one can only do 
>> the work assigned within that level. The guys who are "winners" are 
>> most often from the outside.
>> s.d.
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2007, at 3:50 AM, Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>
>> In Germany, only photographers who have learned (and passed their 
>> exams) in photography in an apprenticeship are allowed to call 
>> themselves "Fotograf" as a profession.
>> If you haven't, you have to call yourself an imagist, photographic 
>> designer, image processor or similar to be able to sell anything 
>> without getting trouble from the  photographers' guild - a real 
>> closed shop system.
>> Douglas
>>
>>
>> Frank Filippone wrote:
>>> Wrong definition.... someone who charges others for their work.......
>>>
>>> Most pros do not make what I consider a living from photography........
>>>
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> red735i@earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
>>> I always thought a pro is someone who earns a living from what he does.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Michiel Fokkema
>>>
>>> H. Ball Arche wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're a pro if you call yourself one.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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