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Subject: [Leica] R10 news
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat Nov 1 21:04:37 2008
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and of course my comments had nothing to do with the M8...they stand  
on their own.

But I have an M8, use it, have filters, never use them, don't miss  
them...love my M8,

that's it...


Steve


On Nov 1, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:

> Steve,
> I agree absolutely - equipment does not matter at all. But it does  
> Leica no
> good to have cheerleaders who do not look at the negatives of their  
> approach
> - I think the final pressure on a company to change is always, in  
> the final
> analysis, applied by the customer. For example however good the M8  
> may be,
> and I have not used one so I dont know, the necessity to use IR  
> filters is a
> gigantic misstep, which a  company of Leica's size can ill afford.  
> However
> practically everyone on the list played apologist, and those who had  
> bought
> M8s went out of their way to say that it was no big deal. Well it  
> was - I
> would have definitely bought one but for this, and I have a dozen  
> friends
> who would have, too. Leica can ill afford to lose sales like this. I  
> still
> say that if a camera is so good, we would see professionals, who  
> make a
> living shooting photographs using it. It does Leica no good, in the  
> long
> run, at their prices, to target sales of a camera either to an aging  
> fan
> club, or to a younger generation as a fashion accessory.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net>  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>>> I disagree - they are well on the way. Look at the new Nikon zooms -
>>> 14-24,
>>> 24-70 and the 200-400 - I have no experience with Canon. Leica  
>>> make great
>>> lenses, but don't sell many, and it wont change whatever happens.  
>>> I am
>>> sure
>>> the Nikon D3 with the 200-400 would do wonders for your bird  
>>> photography.
>>> It
>>> makes no sense to be blind to the demerits of a brand - by all  
>>> means shoot
>>> what you want, but keep your mind open to reality. IMHO the number  
>>> of bird
>>> photographers using the DMR can be counted on the fingers of one  
>>> hand, and
>>> there must be a reason for it - otherwise it would be the  
>>> equipment of
>>> choice for them.
>>>
>>
>> and somehow Jayanand (and I know you know this) we always seem to  
>> play up
>> the equipment here, as the be all and end all,
>>
>> forgetting other factors....
>>
>> like,
>>
>> it takes more than great equipment to take great pictures...
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> If it is the benchmark, I dont see it used as such by any
>>> reviewer of cameras. Therefore in the real world, except for a few  
>>> of us
>>> in
>>> this list, who have the interest and the time, it is really  
>>> irrelevant.
>>> BTW, the only magazine I saw the M8 recommended (as a must buy  
>>> toy, like
>>> the
>>> Iphone) is Esquire or GQ, I forget which - if Leica has to survive  
>>> on
>>> sales
>>> to the general readership of those magazines, they are gone. To  
>>> most of
>>> the
>>> inhabitants of the world, cameras are discretionary purchases, and I
>>> expect
>>> sales to really go down everywhere with the present crisis,  
>>> especially at
>>> the top end of the market. C,N & S will survive that, but what about
>>> Leica?
>>> I will make a prediction that one of the Japanese companies,  
>>> probably
>>> Matsushita, will buy them within the next 3 years.
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:57 PM, <wildlightphoto@earthlink.net>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A. Lal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a chance to speak to Ms. Harbets  at the Leica booth at NY
>>>>>
>>>> Photo-Expo
>>>>
>>>>> last week. I'd be very surprised if the R 10 goes on sale before  
>>>>> the
>>>>> next
>>>>> Photokina.  By then C, N and S will probably have 30 meg sensors  
>>>>> in
>>>>> their
>>>>> top  bodies. Not sure what  Leica need to compete.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C, N and S will need to revamp much of their lens lineup in order  
>>>> to take
>>>> advantage of 30MP sensors.  Early results from the 5DII suggest  
>>>> that its
>>>> sensor is overkill for many of the EF lenses.  Absent a  
>>>> completely new
>>>> set
>>>> of lenses, C, N and S will do better to address bit depth and DR
>>>> deficiencies.
>>>>
>>>> Doug Herr
>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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