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Subject: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Sat Jan 17 16:38:06 2009
References: <20090117005558.PDMF18445.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net><50574752-F044-4C51-8968-0897EA414D3D@usjet.net><8979E64B1EDA477ABC75864ED34F5487@D1S9FY41><C029DA3B-B043-4E22-A229-7AE02D20C699@usjet.net><D64F863506B54290A141DFAFCDDBF6C1@D1S9FY41><167579D7-2CC5-4041-95CA-12272DC465C6@usjet.net><8DBC9D91FE9E47D7AAF8F8956014C5D8@D1S9FY41> <625CEE04-9886-4546-A2D3-5F377976EC01@usjet.net> <CC28F634F2884798B2D730292619B0B5@D1S9FY41>

They both have the full ring, serrated over about 270 degrees of it,  
the aperture numbers the rest of the way.   So, they are BOTH version  
3 -- that is surprising, good news.   But all four versions are the  
same optically, aren't  they?    Bob

On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Seth Rosner wrote:

> Bob, I've just taken a look at Erwin Puts' book and see that he  
> puts the intro of version 3 in 1971 that would make both of your  
> lenses version 3's. One other way to determine to which group your  
> earlier lens belongs is ask if the diaphragm is controlled by a  
> small tab that protrudes from the lens mount or by a more typical  
> ring. If the former, it is version 2, if the latter, they're both  
> version 3.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"  
> <robertmeier@usjet.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>
>
>> My other Summicron 35 is 2619853, which the list puts as only a year
>> newer (thanks Arche), but this one is mint.   I thought the newer one
>> is version 3, but now I'm not sure.
>> Bob
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>
>>> Same series (version), Bob?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"
>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>
>>>
>>>> Seth,
>>>>
>>>> That's a very impressive story, both about how well built a Leica
>>>> lens is, and how good the Leica New Jersey service is/was.   I  
>>>> should
>>>> reconsider selling this lens, except I have another one that is  
>>>> newer
>>>> and is even nicer!
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bob, the lists I have show that your 35/2 Summicron is from  
>>>>> 1972
>>>>> production that commenced at #2503101 through 2556500. I believe
>>>>> that Steve's serial numbers refer only to cameras. I bought one of
>>>>> these lenses shortly after their introduction in 1969 or 70.  
>>>>> Was in
>>>>> my kit for a four-week visit to South and East Africa = 700+
>>>>> Kodachromes.
>>>>>
>>>>> One afternoon in our hotel room in Nairobi after returning from an
>>>>> 8-day tour of the Serengeti, I put down my M4 w/ 35/2 Summicron
>>>>> attached to answer the phone. I had forgotten to twist the lens to
>>>>> full lock. When I picked it up, the lens plunged onto a tile  
>>>>> floor,
>>>>> bending the rear flange. I literally burst into sweat, told my  
>>>>> wife
>>>>> that I had to go for a short walk to calm down. Returned to hotel
>>>>> room, looked once again at bent flange, shook lens vigorously to
>>>>> ascertain if there were loose glass elements, diaphragm blades or
>>>>> other un-Leica-like anomalies,  etc, tried it on the M4 to  
>>>>> which it
>>>>> seemd to mate as usual. Had no back-up 35mm so used it balance of
>>>>> the trip. On return to NYC, I called Vince Fochtman, the lens guy
>>>>> at Leitz/Rockleigh whom I knew pretty well, told him the story and
>>>>> said I was sending him the lens; if there was damage to the glass
>>>>> or mechanicals that could not be made perfect,  please just return
>>>>> the lens with a bill and I would sell it and find another; if it
>>>>> could be made optically and mechanically flawless despite cosmetic
>>>>> flaws, please repair the lens. A week passed, my lens returned  
>>>>> with
>>>>> a Leitz invoice that had no charge. I called Vince and  
>>>>> inquired. He
>>>>> said the lens was fine, glass clean, clear, not decentered a
>>>>> micron, just as good as it had come from Wetzlar; he had been able
>>>>> very gently and little by little to bend the bent- out-of-shape
>>>>> flange into perfect alignment, didn't need any parts, so no  
>>>>> charge!
>>>>> Talk about robust fortress-like construction! I would like to  
>>>>> think
>>>>> that current production is just as strong. Who knows?
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy your Summicron!
>>>>>
>>>>> Seth
>>>>>
>>>>> Seth
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"
>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net>
>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:19 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seth,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for that confirmation.   Where can I go to check the  
>>>>>> serial
>>>>>> numbers of lenses?   All I know about is Stephen Gandy's lists of
>>>>>> body serial numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it is indeed the second version
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier"
>>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:02 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a 35mm Summicron, pre-aspheric, that shows wear on the
>>>>>>>> barrel
>>>>>>>> (no dents or dings) and has mint glass.  With both caps.   I
>>>>>>>> think it
>>>>>>>> is 2nd version, but I'm not sure.   The serial number is  
>>>>>>>> 2541855,
>>>>>>>> $750
>>>>>>>>
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