Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/07/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]top speed? On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie op btinternet.com>wrote: > In what way is the Bugatti faster than an F1 car? There is a possibility > the initial acceleration may be more consistent ddue to the electronics > (banned in F1) and maybe 4WD but after that nowhere :-) Example F1 car > 0-100 > kph between 2.5 secs and 3.0 secs depending on tyre and track surface, but > then 100 kph to 200 kph is about 2.3 secs, Bugatti nowhere near of course. > Braking and cornering the Bugatti is pretty rubbish even compared to quite > a few road cars, though it mainly depends on which tyre the road car is > using. > Frank > > Frank > > On 13 Jul, 2009, at 14:07, simon jessurun wrote: > > Still not bad the Bughatti is quite a bit faster then a F1 car.0.02 simon >> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jim Hemenway <Jim op hemenway.com> wrote: >> >> Frank: >>> >>> I had a hard time affording it too. Had to have an extra job just to >>> make >>> payments. >>> >>> Even though the car was only three years old, the price was much lower >>> than >>> it otherwise should have been. >>> >>> It had some water damage because it had been left outside with the top >>> down >>> for a long time. In addition, the blue paint had worn/faded away very >>> quickly, leaving bare aluminum in many places. >>> >>> Still, it was a lot of fun for a young man. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> Frank Dernie wrote: >>> >>> Fun car! I couldn't afford a sortscar until I was in my 40s but have had >>>> 3 >>>> since. >>>> The problem with Whitworth (and BA) threads was the standardisation >>>> maniacs. We ended up with Unified (inch sizes) and Iso metric, neither >>>> of >>>> which are as technically sound as Whitworth BA and BSF in threadform or >>>> suitableness but appealed to the neat minded regulators with 60 deg >>>> threads >>>> and nice integer thread per inch rules. Then there were a whole bunch of >>>> parts which people often did not have the correct taps, dies and >>>> spanners >>>> for. >>>> As an engineer who had to re-engineer bolted junctions to use unified >>>> threads i can attest that direct replacement resulted in a inferior >>>> joint, >>>> and redesign resulted in heavier bulkier solutions. >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> On 13 Jul, 2009, at 04:36, Jim Hemenway wrote: >>>> >>>> Not a Jensen Healey, but here's Barbara, my 1956 Austin Healey and me in >>>> >>>>> 1959. >>>>> >>>>> A lot of fun but what a pain in the neck to fix... damn Strombergs and >>>>> even more damned Whitworth threads! >>>>> >>>>> http://www.hemenway.com/AustinHealey.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Jim, "I haven't looked like that for such a long time." Hemenway >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Robert Clark wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I used to drive my uncle's 1974 Jensen Healey...with the Lotus engine, >>>>>> a >>>>>> Vauxhaul gearbox (I believe), along with two Stromberg carbs...like a >>>>>> little >>>>>> rocket and I always loved it. Was my intro to what a sports car was >>>>>> and I've >>>>>> never gotten over it! Being 17, driving that with the cute girl down >>>>>> the >>>>>> road, and feeling the acceleration of the car was magical! >>>>>> Robert Clark >>>>>> Lancaster, PA >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Dernie" < >>>>>> Frank.Dernie op btinternet.com> >>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug op leica-users.org> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:38 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] speaking of cars violently OT >>>>>> >>>>>> Try an Elise. >>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11 Jul, 2009, at 06:06, Adam Bridge wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a Lotus S2 - two 2-barrel Webers. It was a RIP to drive but >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>> lots of TLC as cars of that era did. >>>>>>>> I loved the close-ratio gearbox and how it would leap ahead with the >>>>>>>> slightest urging. Stopped darn well too! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course it would never pass today's crash tests but I'd love a >>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>> Lotus roadster to be a retake on the Elan. The top can leak, that's >>>>>>>> okay! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Frank Dernie >>>>>>>> <Frank.Dernie op btinternet.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Elan S4 was a favourite of mine. It had Stromberg carbs which >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> gave more >>>>>>>>> power and broader torque band than the more fashionable Webers, and >>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> fuel consumption. It was surprisingly roomy for such a tiny light >>>>>>>>> car. >>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11 Jul, 2009, at 00:42, Jerry Lehrer wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dennis und Frank >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The original Europa mit Renault engine was a dog! But the >>>>>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>> Elite, if it had modern brakes would really be >>>>>>>>>> a windy road car. The Elan S2 when de-bugged is a superb handling >>>>>>>>>> car. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I've used them all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jerry Lehrer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dennis wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Frank, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wondered your thoughts on Lotus' road cars. I had a Europa >>>>>>>>>>> Special and >>>>>>>>>>> it is a marvel. Very light, incredible suspension, and so >>>>>>>>>>> responsive. I >>>>>>>>>>> thought Colin Chapman brilliant and was stunned at his premature >>>>>>>>>>> passing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I could never afford one of todays 'supercars' but if I could I >>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>> likely own a Lotus and use some of that "leftover" money for a >>>>>>>>>>> worthy cause. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I agree the Veyron is an ugly piece ;-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But, Lotus aside, what do you make of the Ariel Atom? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dennis >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Frank Dernie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pagani Zonda. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For "frequent" use Ferrari 599. >>>>>>>>>>>> For daily use Porsche 911 turbo. >>>>>>>>>>>> For pure driving Lotus anything. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of cars about which have fancy styling and are "2 >>>>>>>>>>>> seat >>>>>>>>>>>> limos" with loads of kit, weight and electronic driving aids to >>>>>>>>>>>> make them >>>>>>>>>>>> easy to drive for less good drivers. >>>>>>>>>>>> These are great pose-mobiles and practical for a rich person of >>>>>>>>>>>> limited >>>>>>>>>>>> talent to show-off in. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I may have left some out, I am neither wealthy enough nor >>>>>>>>>>>> interested >>>>>>>>>>>> enough to study in detail. Weight is the most important chassis >>>>>>>>>>>> parameter >>>>>>>>>>>> for performance. Road cars are to a great extent a fashion item >>>>>>>>>>>> and image >>>>>>>>>>>> statement. Published stuff tends to be acceleration and top >>>>>>>>>>>> speed. It is >>>>>>>>>>>> possible to get impressive figures for these without much >>>>>>>>>>>> chassis >>>>>>>>>>>> sophistication at all. Since weight is currently not something >>>>>>>>>>>> fashionable >>>>>>>>>>>> to minimise "supercars" are now as heavy as trucks, hence no >>>>>>>>>>>> longer >>>>>>>>>>>> supercars IMO. This Bugatti thing weighs the same as 2 Ford >>>>>>>>>>>> GT40s! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To put perspective on this, +10kg on a F1 car loses over 0.3 >>>>>>>>>>>> secs >>>>>>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>>>>>> lap. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >