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Subject: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses" JPEG &RAW????
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:00:09 -0800
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Hi Jim,
A big thank you for a simple and common sense reason for shooting both. I 
suppose there are several reasons why folks would shoot both.  And I'm sure 
I'll have them explained. Yours being the first and understandable reason.
Thanks again.

cheers,
ted
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses" JPEG 
&RAW????


> Ted,
>
> This is an answer from another Jim.  My photo sessions usually consist of 
> 10
> to 20 exposures, so storage space is no concern. Likewise, battery drain 
> is
> not a problem. I shoot RAW+Jpeg because my photo software, Elements 6.0,
> when handling Olympus RAW files, does not provide thumbnail images.  I use
> the Jpeg images as a proof sheet, selecting the images that are worthy of 
> a
> final edit.  I then open each of those RAW images and process them.
>
> While this is great for my shooting habits, I can see that I might drop 
> the
> Jpeg images from my setup if I were to get involved in lengthy photo 
> shoots.
> Since I am only a year behind you in age, I don't see extended shoots in 
> my
> future.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses" JPEG
> &RAW????
>
>
>> Hi Jim,
>> I'm assuming your question is for me? Dr. ted? If it is electronically
>> timed I'm sure it happens!
>> But many of the things that are brought up are not worth bothering about
>> if the photographer is totally consummed with shooting the moment!  And
>> just got on with their picture taking it really wouldn't make any
>> difference!
>>
>> I have a question back, why in all "common sense," never mind wishy washy
>> reasons, would one shoot RAW & JPEG at the same time?" I see that as a
>> complete waste of card space and battery waste. Not to forget it's double
>> the editing time later? Anyone?
>>
>> Particularly when they feel the camera isn't functioning in a manner they
>> don't like, why do it and set the camera to work in both JPEG & RAW? A
>> fashion that it only angers the user??
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dr. ted
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim" <jimlong5 at charter.net>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses"
>>
>>
>>> So when the digital journalist article said there is a 3.6 to 3.7 second
>>> pause needed between fine and basic JPG files, that's not true?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Frank Filippone wrote:
>>>>> >> Yes.  But not exactly the tool for the decisive moment.......Human,
>>>>> >> birdie,
>>>>>> Lion, or otherwise......
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barbour offered:
>>>>> why Frank, and how do you know?
>>>>>  here...
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/PAW+2009/handymanbw.jpg.html
>>>>
>>>> Great shot Steve, "Action at it's best! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Gentlemen may I interject for a moment? Thank you.
>>>> I've never found any delay because I don't think about that kind of
>>>> stuff
>>>> ~!!!!! ERGO! it doesn't happen! ;-) Jeeesh some of you guys are worry
>>>> warts! :-)
>>>>
>>>> It's quite simple really.... if you guys stopped thinking about all 
>>>> this
>>>> techie stuff and tried this system!
>>>>
>>>> "SEE -- SHOOT!"  faster than I type this, you wouldn't have time to
>>>> think
>>>> about all this lag stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Quite frankly if you guys hadn't brought this up I'd have never thought
>>>> it
>>>> was happening, "THAT IS IF IT DOES?????" Concentrate on image/shooting
>>>> and
>>>> forget about the camera in hand!
>>>>
>>>> Is there a wild possibility some of you are getting older and the
>>>> lagtime
>>>> is your own mental lagtime?  :-) :-) :-)
>>>>
>>>> But here is a tiny solid tip of advice to eliminate your imagined
>>>> lagtime,
>>>> period!
>>>>
>>>> Buy a Tom Abrahamson "SOFT RELEASE"! Screw it into the shutter release
>>>> and
>>>> you wont have time to think about anything because you will have
>>>> released
>>>> almost by thought process! Blink your eyes, picture taken! :-)
>>>>
>>>> You don't believe it? If you don't have it in the release and using it,
>>>> (me 2 years experience time)  don't tell me it wont make any difference
>>>> because you're only wasting your time and mine!
>>>>
>>>> The release worked beautifully on film M's and sure as hell is a super
>>>> fast release for M digital cameras!
>>>> Yer welcome I knew you'd appreciate it. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Dr. ted.
>>>> "one of the unwashed masses! "
>>>>
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