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Subject: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses" JPEG &RAW????
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:58:53 -0800
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Hi Roger,
Thank you good Sir! Another positive post to copy and save in my common 
sense digital use folder! I find it a great learning file when a post such 
as yours and Jim's earlier to put in my simple reasons for doing things 
digital! Without a lot of words I don't understand from techieland! Thanks 
again.
cheers,
ted




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Hart" <rhart76 at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses" JPEG 
&RAW????


> Ted,
>
> I sometimes shoot RAW and JPEG for one reason: to ship photos back to my
> office where they are used on the web. Dumping JPEGS onto an FTP server is
> much, much quicker than sending RAW files...and the 72 dpi web images 
> don't
> need to start life as a RAW file. Being able to shoot both at the same 
> time
> saves time converting the RAW files to JPEGs.
>
> Roger Hart
> Detroit
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:00 PM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>> A big thank you for a simple and common sense reason for shooting both. I
>> suppose there are several reasons why folks would shoot both.  And I'm 
>> sure
>> I'll have them explained. Yours being the first and understandable 
>> reason.
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> cheers,
>> ted
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichols" 
>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
>>
>>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:33 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses" JPEG
>> &RAW????
>>
>>
>> Ted,
>>>
>>> This is an answer from another Jim.  My photo sessions usually consist 
>>> of
>>> 10
>>> to 20 exposures, so storage space is no concern. Likewise, battery drain
>>> is
>>> not a problem. I shoot RAW+Jpeg because my photo software, Elements 6.0,
>>> when handling Olympus RAW files, does not provide thumbnail images.  I 
>>> use
>>> the Jpeg images as a proof sheet, selecting the images that are worthy 
>>> of
>>> a
>>> final edit.  I then open each of those RAW images and process them.
>>>
>>> While this is great for my shooting habits, I can see that I might drop
>>> the
>>> Jpeg images from my setup if I were to get involved in lengthy photo
>>> shoots.
>>> Since I am only a year behind you in age, I don't see extended shoots in
>>> my
>>> future.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses" JPEG
>>> &RAW????
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>> I'm assuming your question is for me? Dr. ted? If it is electronically
>>>> timed I'm sure it happens!
>>>> But many of the things that are brought up are not worth bothering 
>>>> about
>>>> if the photographer is totally consummed with shooting the moment!  And
>>>> just got on with their picture taking it really wouldn't make any
>>>> difference!
>>>>
>>>> I have a question back, why in all "common sense," never mind wishy 
>>>> washy
>>>> reasons, would one shoot RAW & JPEG at the same time?" I see that as a
>>>> complete waste of card space and battery waste. Not to forget it's 
>>>> double
>>>> the editing time later? Anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Particularly when they feel the camera isn't functioning in a manner 
>>>> they
>>>> don't like, why do it and set the camera to work in both JPEG & RAW? A
>>>> fashion that it only angers the user??
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Dr. ted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" <jimlong5 at charter.net>
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So when the digital journalist article said there is a 3.6 to 3.7 
>>>> second
>>>>> pause needed between fine and basic JPG files, that's not true?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reviewers drawn from the "unwashed masses"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Filippone wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> Yes.  But not exactly the tool for the decisive 
>>>>>>> >> moment.......Human,
>>>>>>> >> birdie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lion, or otherwise......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Barbour offered:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why Frank, and how do you know?
>>>>>>>  here...
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/PAW+2009/handymanbw.jpg.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great shot Steve, "Action at it's best! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gentlemen may I interject for a moment? Thank you.
>>>>>> I've never found any delay because I don't think about that kind of
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> ~!!!!! ERGO! it doesn't happen! ;-) Jeeesh some of you guys are worry
>>>>>> warts! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's quite simple really.... if you guys stopped thinking about all
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> techie stuff and tried this system!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "SEE -- SHOOT!"  faster than I type this, you wouldn't have time to
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> about all this lag stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quite frankly if you guys hadn't brought this up I'd have never 
>>>>>> thought
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> was happening, "THAT IS IF IT DOES?????" Concentrate on 
>>>>>> image/shooting
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> forget about the camera in hand!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a wild possibility some of you are getting older and the
>>>>>> lagtime
>>>>>> is your own mental lagtime?  :-) :-) :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But here is a tiny solid tip of advice to eliminate your imagined
>>>>>> lagtime,
>>>>>> period!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buy a Tom Abrahamson "SOFT RELEASE"! Screw it into the shutter 
>>>>>> release
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> you wont have time to think about anything because you will have
>>>>>> released
>>>>>> almost by thought process! Blink your eyes, picture taken! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't believe it? If you don't have it in the release and using 
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> (me 2 years experience time)  don't tell me it wont make any 
>>>>>> difference
>>>>>> because you're only wasting your time and mine!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The release worked beautifully on film M's and sure as hell is a 
>>>>>> super
>>>>>> fast release for M digital cameras!
>>>>>> Yer welcome I knew you'd appreciate it. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. ted.
>>>>>> "one of the unwashed masses! "
>>>>>>
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