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Subject: [Leica] M9, lag time, perception and other things
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:53:43 -0800
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On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:33 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Gary Todoroff offered interesting testimomial. However, are we not talking 
> about two different camera systems?
> 
> One, the M8-9 rangefinder camera with nothing flipping up and down? 
> Compared to an SLR of some kind with flipping mirrors and whatever extra 
> screens that move about? Is that not correct? Different systems?
> 
> My gut feeling is the more things to go click-clack in the night as the 
> shutter is released the greater the opportunity for LAG-TIME to occur?  I 
> can understand a lag time occurring. But the M8-9 is camera to eye, quick 
> focus.... click! Done! And if there is a delay I don't doubt these are as 
> much human reactions involved in what the photographer sees and by the 
> time his nervous system creates pressure on finger tip to push click!
> 
> And this with the minds eye re-calling "just the moment" seen compared to 
> the taken image. If one is experiencing this regularly here's a tip how to 
> speed your tripping and nervous system up.
> 
> Stand on the side of a highway and focus on the front of on coming traffic 
> and do this until you can get 36 rams in a row sharply in focus. It works! 
> As it's an old training exercise I have always done for years before going 
> to cover world international sports events as tee Olympics. You will be 
> surprised how much  faster you become in "SEE-SHOOT-SHARP!"
> 
> So far with my M8 I have absolutely no sense of so-called milli-second 
> lost moment of what I saw and reacted to faster than I breath and my heart 
> beats. This is why I put as much of the LAG-TIME back on the shoulders of 
> the photographer than blaming the camera. Meaured or otherwise, we humans 
> see and shoot or don't shoot as fast as some of us think we do.
> 
> And this is why over the years I have consistently offered.... "YOU CAN'T 
> THINK AND SHOOT!" Nor can you think and bat in baseball as Yogi Berra 
> offered. There isn't any question, we as humans time measured or 
> otherwise, have different see-shoot nerve systems of re-action time and 
> this little nerve triggering system is what make great sports 
> photographers  better than 99% of all others. Their nerve system  
> re-action.
> 
> I trust this is somewhere along the lines of your thoughts and experience.
> 
> But from this side of the screen I can honestly say I have never 
> experienced this phenomena knowingly with an M8 or M9.


my impression too Ted, maybe long in absolute micro/milli seconds, but an 
inconsequential fraction of the time it takes to
see, think, click....


I suppose that if the "delay" is below some absolute threshhold, we can't 
perceive it ....


Steve



> 
> cheers,
> ted
> 
> 
> 
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