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Subject: [Leica] Deer and Goose
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:47:51 -0500
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I favor putting them down sooner than later, knowing that they are often in 
pain and misery without overt signs of it. Once they go off food or have 
difficulty moving around, I know that they are in trouble.

Jeffery



On Apr 3, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Douglas Barry wrote:

> While trying not to be grotesque and overly upsetting to pet lovers, the 
> harsh reality of life and death is you have to be pragmatic when a pet is 
> distressed and nearing the end of life. Most vets pile on the drugs, hope 
> for a peaceful end, or else administer an injection which - while 
> compassionate and a sop to the mores of modern society - costs unnecessary 
> money.  Better to go for a swift certainty and take a final stand behind 
> your sick pet. Swiftly strike it with a shovel or other heavy implement 
> which will put it out of its pain. It doesn't expect it from you, and any 
> pain is brief. Horrific I know, but at least its end is quick and certain, 
> and any suffering is short. I'd want such a finish myself - as long as I 
> don't realise it's going to happen...
> 
> Your opinion might vary.
> 
> Douglas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lorenzo" <gregj_lorenzo at 
> hotmail.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group LUG" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 2:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Deer and Goose
> 
> 
>> 
>> I was shocked at how much cost of pet hospitalization had gone up in the 
>> last decade here. In the end it was irrelavant as the gold in the world 
>> can't make a difference if you have a hopeless/terminal case.
>> 
>> Between the horrific heartache and financial cost no more pets for me 
>> without pet health insurance coverage.
>> 
>> Greg Lorenzo
>> Calgary, Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I only spent $2,000 before the 5 year old shih tzu died. That was for 1 
>>> day of care. My vet (ex-vet) was not particularly interested in the 
>>> cause of death. She knows that the dogs are like our children and we are 
>>> willing to pay a great deal of money to save their life, but once the 
>>> pooch has died, the vet bills freeze as did her concern outside of the 
>>> cost of disposal.
>>> 
>>> Jeffery
>>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Greg Lorenzo wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jeffery Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think that these are still poorly understood diseases. I recall 
>>>>> reading that "dogs cannot get mad cow disease". As a result, cattle 
>>>>> dying from it are candidates for dog food. I gave one of my dogs some 
>>>>> dog treats imported from the country that uses tainted beef in its dog 
>>>>> food, and my dog died of some sort of encephalopathy within the year. 
>>>>> And that dog treat brand disappeared from the shelves of stores for 
>>>>> about 6 months.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My father was a hospital administrator during the early 1980's. When 
>>>>> AIDS became an entity, early conventional wisdom was that it was 
>>>>> caused by an immune reaction to sperm entering the bloodstream via 
>>>>> traumatic intercourse. Then it was a virus that could not be 
>>>>> transmitted by blood transfusion. These diseases with slow incubation 
>>>>> periods lead to some pretty erroneous assumptions. And science has a 
>>>>> tendency to call something "right" when we are really saying "right, 
>>>>> until proven wrong", and that happens regularly.
>>>> 
>>>> We lost our 9 YOA Bichon last May to acute renal failure. $10,000 in 
>>>> vet bills later we are still wondering what the H*ll caused this.
>>>> 
>>>> His food, to my knowledge, was not made by Menu Foods of Toronto which 
>>>> was found to have used tainted wheat gluten from China in their dog 
>>>> food brands in 2007. That error cost several people theirs pets with 
>>>> all the heartbreak that goes along with the death of a family pet.
>>>> 
>>>> Greg Lorenzo
>>>> Calgary, Canada
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In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at gmail.com (Lawrence Zeitlin) ([Leica] Deer and Goose)
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Message from gregj_lorenzo at hotmail.com (Greg Lorenzo) ([Leica] Deer and Goose)
Message from benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney) ([Leica] Deer and Goose)
Message from gregj_lorenzo at hotmail.com (Greg Lorenzo) ([Leica] Deer and Goose)
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