Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/10/25

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Subject: [Leica] formerly D700 now photos taken with Leicas
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:23:02 +1030
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It's always a juggle.  A pro career is a great way to learn, just
because you literally live photography.  But some of the very best
work is done by 'amateurs' or more correctly perhaps 'advanced
hobbyists', those who do not make their living out of photography,
because they have the time to get everything right, it doesn't matter
(or at least it's not career limiting or ending) if something messes
up, and they are not under the same pressures to make deadlines or
make ends meet.  HC-B was independantly wealthy; I wonder if his body
of work would have looked the same if he'd needed to work 9-5 and
learn to shoot at the same time or had an editor sending him to cover
local elections, not to mention if he could not have afforded to
speculatively fund his own world journeys, and have the very best
professional film develoeprs and printers turning his work into a
final product.

It's a toss-up; if you photograph for yourself but make your living
another way, how do you find time to get good?  If you are a pro
photographer, how do you find time to amass a great body of personal
work if you keep getting sent to take pictures of cats stuck in trees
by your sadistic editor who wants the files within three minutes of
the shutter closing?

Marty


On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:54 PM,  <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Phil Forrest offered:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] formerly D700 now photos taken with Leicas
>
>
>> Just because one is a pro photographer, doesn't mean one knows diddly
>> squat about photography.<<<<<<<
>
> Hi Phil,
> May I offer this version? ?They offer themselves as "photographers?" And
> know absolutely nothing about the practice and profession of photography!
>
> What we see today in so many locations, once the avenue of "professional
> photographers!" Are electronic button pushing operators!
>
> They have absolutely no concept of what the word "photography and
> photographer mean what so ever!" WHY???
>
> Well they have this electronic instrument that exposes some kind of light
> sensitive material when they press "click!" The image enters through a 
> glass
> opening at the front and creates a near perfect exposure.
>
> PLEASE NOTE! "I did not say "perfect photograph!" The exposure is probably
> as perfect as it can be...... "THE EXPOSURE AND TALENT TO SEE ARE NOT
> RELATED!"
>
> However holder of elctronic exposing instrument has been completely brain
> washed by said "exposure instrument manufacturer" they are now a
> "PHOTOGRAPHER!" ? ERGO? We who have spent many years learning & using this
> incredible craft to capture the world and people about us while earning our
> living are cast aside much like a bag of garbage! ?WHY?
>
> Well Joe Shmuckenhimer, the stock boy with his electronic exposing machine
> is the friend of the friend of the guy who is a friend of nobody, but has a
> fix in with the CEO & PR guy-gal who will pay him $20.00 an hour and buy 
> his
> lunch. WHY? Because his "pictures are amazing!" When actually they should 
> be
> saying.... "His exposure!" is amazing. However, he really didn't have
> anything to do with them as he just turned on the electronic device and it
> went live when the light hit the sensor!
>
> So why hire a "REAL PHOTOGRAPHER" who charges $1000.00 a day when
> Shmuckenhimer will do it for twenty bucks an hour and lunch?
>
> Do I need to go on about the masses of electronic image makers that are
> destroying what this beatufiful craft is all about? And that is,
> understanding beautiful light, the forms, the action, the composition and
> capturing the split second moments of life that leave people in awe! "WOW!
> LOOK AT THAT!" ?
>
> Ask Shmuckenhimer what any of this is about and he or she will not have one
> iota of a clue what you are talking about!
>
> True working photographers are becoming a dying breed simply because of the
> simplicity of the electronic exposing machines! And the bull shit by the
> operators of said equipment telling people they are photographers!!
>
> For whatever it's worth.
>
> Dr. ted
>
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Replies: Reply from tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca) ([Leica] formerly D700 now photos taken with Leicas)
In reply to: Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] D700)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] D700)
Message from photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Phil) ([Leica] formerly D700 now photos taken with Leicas)
Message from tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca) ([Leica] formerly D700 now photos taken with Leicas)