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Subject: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)')
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:07:45 -0500
References: <C8FD7E98.6320%mark@rabinergroup.com> <529686F3EB724B03A0DEBEF92EFE19E1@syneticfeba505> <412B27BA635543079FFE29F57C2BAC41@jimnichols> <F3DF3F305FA74092AAE336FBD24F8DB2@syneticfeba505>

Today you can do that with negative Clarity in LR.  It does wonders for
wrinkles ;-)  Now you can start with a really sharp lens and go either way!

Tina

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Jim Nichols offered:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)')
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>
>  Thanks for the advice, Ted.  I can only speak from my experience with
>> family members, and from comments from my late father-in-law, who had a
>> small studio where he shot 5x7 negatives in B&W, and retouched the 
>> negatives
>> with very sharp pencils.  He knew how to get return business from his 
>> female
>> customers, which was to make them look good.  ;-)<<<<
>>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Aaaaahhhh the good old days of 5X7 film portraits, negative retouching with
> the lightness of a feather to skin! :-)
>
> One thing I never learned to do, retouching! Because, apart from the 4X5
> size of the Speed Graphic the largest film size I ever exposed, always news
> events not requiring retouching. The rest of the career was 2 1/4,
> predominantly 35mm. The one time I tried retouching I ended with a
> transformation from a pretty looking young woman almost to a Boris Karloff
> monster. Game over forget this stuff. :-)
>
> Today however in photography, it appears most photos, studio or street are
> crispy sharp compared to the soft gentle beauties of the bygone eras. It is
> interesting to visit a friends home and see portraits taken 40-50 years ago
> or longer and see the "gentle softness" of those days. Created by lens or
> retouching. Or both!
>
> On a few occasions I'd put a clear filter on a lens, rub my finger around
> my face and forehead which would pick-up some normal skin oil residue and
> rub it on the filter for a softening effect of sorts. I know of some folks
> who'd smear Vaseline on a filter. To me it was always way to much.
>
> But there are some classical ladies of age today who like to have the
> youthful touch in softening the character of a few wrinkles. Or shall we
> say, "the beauty of aging !" :-)
>
> cheers,
> ted
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> From: <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)')
>>
>>
>>  Jim Nicchols offered:
>>>
>>>> "Mark,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you don't shoot many portraits of women, else you would
>>>> also
>>>> add that the portrait lens cannot be razor sharp in all details.  This
>>>> is
>>>> why older lenses find favor with those who specialize in this
>>>> market.<<<<<<,
>>>>
>>>
>>> And Mark in rebuttal offered:
>>>
>>>> I shot mainly women and after a while diffused none of them and had no
>>>>>> "old"
>>>>>>
>>>>> glass to use on them.
>>>> I just image Googled Karsh (who did photography quite a few women), and
>>>> Penn, and Avedon and the gals were just as sharp as the guys. Karsh's
>>>> shot of
>>>>
>>> < George Bernard Shaw seems a bit soft maybe from what I can
>>>
>>>> see.<<<<<<<<
>>>>
>>>
>>> It didn't make any difference to Karsh... it was sharp, male or female or
>>> into file 13 which eventually went to the scrap heap.As much as my 
>>> comments
>>> about Karsh may have some folks wonder how I can, It's simply because his
>>> brother Malak and Karsh were friends of mine for a number of years. Malak
>>> and myself were assigned to work on the same subject in photographing the
>>> tourist beauties of Canada several times over the years. He in one part 
>>> of
>>> the country, I in another. With great sessions upon returning comparing 
>>> each
>>> others photography.
>>>
>>> I was a guest in both of Karsh's Ottawa studios, the old original on
>>> Spark's Street and the new one in the Chateau! Assigned  to shoot a 
>>> series
>>> on his new wife in their home in the suburbs of Ottawa shortly after they
>>> were married. KARSH without question demanded of the society editor he
>>> approve any and all pictures before publication. That was before  he 
>>> knew I
>>> was the photographer for the assignment. And in his position he demanded
>>> that kind of control from publications and got it.
>>>
>>> When I was told this by the editor, I said "forget it, just tell him it's
>>> me doing the assignment and no he isn't going to approve any of my 
>>> pictures
>>> as, "I don't have to approve any of his!" Jokingly of course. :-) Editor 
>>> not
>>> knowing we were acquaintances was shocked and near died! I of course was
>>> being slightly facetious with a smile. So while I was in the editors 
>>> office
>>> she called and spoke with KARSH. His response?
>>>
>>> "Why didn't you tell me Ted Grant was the photographer and we wouldn't be
>>> wasting my valuable time now!"
>>>
>>> End of KARSH approving any photographs without even seeing them until
>>> published! :-)  Estralita didn't have any problem as she knew me through
>>> visits and seeing some of my published photos. Wonderful, kind lady to 
>>> shoot
>>> with.
>>>
>>> But his pictures were sharp regardless the  old wives tale of  "ladies
>>> like soft lenses" not to show their wrinkles! Which to some degree 
>>> indicate
>>> beautiful character! ! :-)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Dr. ted :-)
>>>
>>>
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-- 
Tina Manley, ASMP
www.tinamanley.com


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