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Subject: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info
From: frank.dernie at btinternet.com (FRANK DERNIE)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:10:56 +0000 (GMT)
References: <C97ADFD0.A8AB%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Now I am shocked. I have not found the difference between a Panasonic GH1 
and a 
Nikon D3x as big a step as 35mm to Rolleiflex myself.
In fact at base iso I don't see as big a difference between my Canon G10 and 
Nikon D3x as between 35mm and 120...
FD


----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 February, 2011 17:45:04
Subject: Re: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info

And I can state from my own direct personal experience over the past 112
days that the difference between a 1.5 crop and 1X crop camera is not a
subtle matter of a few millimeters in any direction. The difference is
dramatic.  And more dramatic than when I went from in the  mid to late 70's
from a decade of nikon use to using a Rolleiflex; then Hasselblad.


--------------------
Mark William Rabiner



> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:36:47 -0500
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Conversation: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info
> Subject: Re: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info
> 
> Well Frank !the entire photographic community and industry is pretty much 
> in
> on it as well.  Most pro's wound not be caught dead with a cropped camera 
> this
> is not a big secret and not my particular quirky opinion.
> You've said in the past format does not matter in digital as it does in 
> film
> but I think on that opinion you are out standing alone in the field as we
> frankly save for our 40 to 60 thousand dollar medium format digital 
> systems or
> top of the line full frame systems.
> Full frame cameras are marketed as pro cameras and cropped camera are 
> marketed
> as  amateur lines. This quirky fact is becoming quite known by every shulb
> putting in hours behind a camera counter and every dad coming into the 
> store
> to get a camera to get his kids opening their holiday presents.
> While in the old days a lumbering Nikon F2 with motor drive weighting 5 
> pounds
> used the same film as a Barnack IIIA the format was always the same and the
> results could be the same as you viewed a 16x20 end result;  24x36mm's was 
> the
> format so one did not have to pay much attention. If you wanted a compact
> camera your end result really was not going to necessarily suffer,
> Now smaller cameras can have larger formats.
> Nowadays the issue is clouded my megapixels and you do have to pay 
> attention..
> MP's. A credit card camera can have more than your point and shoot or full
> sized older DSLR.
> --------------------
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> mark at rabinergroup.com
> Cars:  http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:35:04 +0000
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] More new Fuji X100 info
>> 
>> Well Mark I have read this opinion many hundreds of times in the last few
>> years.
>> 
>> But every time it was you who wrote it ;-)
>> 
>> FD
>> 
>> On 10 Feb, 2011, at 19:24, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> 
>>> The value perception of cropped camera systems is going to plummet 
>>> solidly
>>> in a very few years if not sooner. If you want a return on your 
>>> investment
>>> you might not get it like you'd expect to with much gear you get now.
>>> If you got an M8 which  you can get  now I think for quite cheap despite 
>>> all
>>> the problems involved with it all the glass you accumulated for that 
>>> camera
>>> would then be usable on the M9 or any full frame camera Leica comes up 
>>> with.
>>> I'd go that route then.
>>> I'm not seeing teachers in schools telling their students to get a Fuji
>>> X100. They'd be telling them to invest in a system which can be upgraded
>>> seriously. The Fuji X100 for its existence (I give it four years) will 
>>> be a
>>> play toy for people with available cash who like to buy and sell photo 
>>> gear.
>>> It won't be used much by people taking a potentially serious interest in
>>> street or any other kind of photography. Its a here today gone tomorrow
>>> special. Yes very retro. The lack of distance scales on the lenses could 
>>> be
>>> thought of as a dead give away. As is looking at examples of 4000 across
>>> pixel images which measure 2 inches across your computer monitor and 
>>> cant be
>>> viewed larger.
>>> It's an emperors new clothes camera system.  We all know deep inside its 
>>> a
>>> waste of our time and resources. Its not about photography It's about
>>> playing with new toys.
>>> 
>>> When we started out decades back with an M2 or a Nikkormat the film it 
>>> shot
>>> was still 36mm's across just like all the big boy cameras and all the 
>>> glass
>>> we got could be used on our later big boy bodies.
>>> Its good to have later bodies in mind.
>>> 
>>> --------------------
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photography
>> 
>> 
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