Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Le 14 d?c. 11 ? 18:26, Mark Rabiner a ?crit : > The original st 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-D had a good rep among > photographers > it was replaced in 2003 by the 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 VR which had a bad > reputation. It was soft had a huge amount of fall off and the first > generation VR did not work all that great. Agreed that's mine :-( On top of this, when you come from Leica or Oly, you'll inevitably find it distorts so badly that it hurts, and in an unpredictable way... I had had one such Nikon zoom, 35-70 it was, and I was so happy when the Angenieux came in. Some shots can be sharp though, as unpredictably, and I may probably get better results on the D700 than any film I have scanned to this day. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/A+Henri-4799.jpg.html (perspectives and distortion limited thanks to LR, sharpness up one or two clicks) Bien cordialement de Metz Philippe > But the current Nikon 24-120mm f/4 VR GAF-S is second generation VR > and its > optical issues of the previous issue have all been addressed. Its a > well > thought of lens selling like hotcakes to all the smart people and > some less > smart. > I don't think of as a do all lens I don't think the zoom range is > all that > wide and its not that much of a monster lens. > its simplify extended from 24-85 to fit our current sensibilities > and does > what current optics can do. > Its not the monster 28-300. Which may be an ok lens for what it is. > > VR is a huge thing for your shooting when it works right and from > all anyone > can tell it works perfectly on this current 24-120mm f/4 VR GAF-S > lens > enabling amazing low light shooting. That on top of excrement > current nikon > optics to begin with. > Nikon is an excellent optical company wand when it messes up it does > not > mess up for long. > With this current version of a key lens its got it right. > -- > Mark R. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/ > > >> From: Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:51:07 -0800 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window >> >> thanks much Jay > > Sent from my iPhone > Steve Barbour > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:33 >> PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > > Steve, > Yes. The AF-S >> Nikkor 24-120 f4G ED VR, to give it its catalogue monicker, > is a soft lens >> with quite a bit of distortion at both ends. I bought it on > specs without >> trying it out, which I normally never do, which was an > unforced error if ever >> there was one. It is a lens that gives convenience > at the cost of optical >> quality, a bad trade off. IMHO, the older one (AF-S > 24-85 f3.5-4.5G) is >> lighter, more compact, less expensive and better > performing, albeit in a >> narrower zoom range. Both have AFS, and 'G' type > lenses, but the older lens >> does not have VR, which I have not found to be a > material disadvantage in this >> zoom range. It is going to stay on my D700 as > my walk around, standard zoom >> lens. > Cheers > Jayanand > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Steve Barbour >> <steve.barbour at gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Jayanand >> Govindaraj wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> I find the old 24-85 f3.5 - 4.5G lens to be >> superior in every way. Buying >>> the latest version of the 24-120 (the f4 >> one) >> >> >> is this the identical VR lens that Mark speaks of? >> >> Steve >> >> >> >>> was a big mistake - I am >>> going to advertise and sell it this >> weekend. >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Mark >> Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I check B&H and find that >> they sell a "kit" Nikon D700 SLR Digital >> Camera >>>> Kit with 24-120mm VR >> Lens for $3,996.90 (and you'd think you'd have to >> pay >>>> Four Grand for >> such a combo) >>>> This is a lens I'd kill for. The pix I'd do with one would >> take no >>>> prisoners. I'd never sleep. >>>> The lens itself cost thirteen >> hundred bucks and uses a 77mm filter. >>>> Not real Leica like. But will do in >> the interim. >>>> >>>> And faster than a measly 700 millions miles an hour >> too. >>>> If that's as fast as I could ever go I'd get a tune up! >>>> >>>> >> -- >>>> Mark R. >>>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users >> Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:05:07 -0500 >>>>> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez >> Bergdorf's window >>>>> >>>>> Mine too. >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark R. >>>>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com> >>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group >> <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:23:20 -0600 (CST) >>>>>> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High >> Rez Bergdorf's window >>>>>> >>>>>> My D700 was lens free (No lens) >>>>> >>>>> >> Gene >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>>> "philippe.amard" >> <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> >>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" >>>>>> >> <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:32:09 AM GMT >> -06:00 >>>>>> US/Canada Central >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's >> window >>>>> >>>>> Le 13 d?c. >>>>>> 11 ? 01:36, Mark Rabiner a ?crit : >>>>> >> >>>>>> That's a perk on the nikon vs. canon >>>>>> lenses. Their kit glass >> really >>>>>> has >>>>>> great specs. As long as you don't >>>>>> bang them going >> through a door out >>>>>> of >>>>>> whack. They look embarrassing but >>>>>> they >> make very good images. Though >>>>>> I've >>>>>> not used one in over a >> year >>>>>> there is not kit glass for full frame. >>>>> >>>>> I bought my D700 >> with the infamous >>>>>> -free- 24-10 ; package by Nikon, Mark >>>>> different >> markets I guess >>>>> Philippe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> was shooting this >> thing on P so it was wide open which was 5.6 at >>>>>> 20mm >>>>>> >>>>>> which >> means everything front to back is sharp as hell. I could not >>>>>> even >>>>>> >> >>>>>> believe it. That's also an advantage to shooting cropped. Its ten >>>>>> >> times >>>>>> >>>>>> harder for me to get it all with my 24-85 full frame glass >> which in >>>>>> >>>>>> comparison weights a ton. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark >> R. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> From: Jim Nichols >>>>>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net> >>>>>>> Reply-To: >> Leica Users Group >>>>>> <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 >> 13:52:05 -0600 >>>>>>> To: Leica >>>>>> Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's >>>>>> window >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very >> nicely captured, Mark. Nice to find a gem among the bargain >>>>>> >>>>>>> >> lenses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>>>> ----- >> Original Message >>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> From: "Mark Rabiner" >> <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>> To: "Leica Users >>>>>> Group" >> <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:01 PM >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Subject: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I >> was going over >>>>>> window's I'd shot Dec 12 2008 at Bergdorf's that >>>>>>>> >> night and >>>>>>>> was >>>>>> amazed by the detail and high quality so I checked >> the >>>>>>>> metadata to >>>>>> see >>>>>>>> which of my real money Nikon glass >> I'd shot it with. The 28 1.4 or >>>>>> >>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>> 14 2.8. >>>>>>>> >> http://tinyurl.com/c4bmnog >>>>>>>> It turned out the >>>>>> be the lowly 99 >> dollar special 18.0-55.0 mm f/ >>>>>>>> 3.5-5.6 DX >>>>>>>> non VR >>>>>> which >> you get when you click the sort for cheaper at top >>>>>>>> bottom on >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> the Adorama or B&H sites. Maybe Calumet. >>>>>>>> So I left it at a much >> higher >>>>>> rez than 1200 pixels on the long >>>>>>>> end so you >>>>>>>> can >> really see it when >>>>>> you click the zoom in button on the LUG >>>>>>>> >> gallery. >>>>>>>> The iso was 400 so >>>>>> there really was a lot of light in >> these >>>>>>>> window. And it >>>>>>>> makes for >>>>>> some real quality >> images. >>>>>>>> The windows at Bergdorf's which are the best >>>>>> I've ever >> seen >>>>>>>> anywhere have >>>>>>>> not been as good the past three of >>>>>> >> years. 09 and 10 and '11. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Mark R. >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users >> Group. >>>>>>>> See >>>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for >> more >>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users >> Group. >>>>>>> See >>>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> >> See >>>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> >> information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Leica Users >>>>>> Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> for more >>>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users >>>>>> >> Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users >> Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica >> Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users >> Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users >> Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information