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Subject: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:22:04 -0500

I feel the same about my digital shots coming out better than any film I've
ever shot. Or scanned.
-- 
Mark R.
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/


> From: Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:55:35 +0100
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
> 
> Le 14 d?c. 11 ? 18:26, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
> 
>> The original st 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-D had a good rep among
>> photographers
>> it was replaced in 2003 by the  24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 VR  which had a bad
>> reputation. It was soft had a huge amount of fall off and the first
>> generation VR did not work all that great.
> 
> Agreed that's mine :-(
> 
> On top of this, when you come from Leica or Oly, you'll inevitably
> find it distorts so badly that it hurts, and in an unpredictable way...
> I had had one such Nikon zoom, 35-70 it was, and I was so happy when
> the Angenieux came in.
> 
> Some shots can be sharp though, as unpredictably, and I may probably
> get better results on the D700 than any film I have scanned to this day.
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/A+Henri-4799.jpg.html
> (perspectives and distortion limited thanks to LR, sharpness up one or
> two clicks)
> 
> Bien cordialement de Metz
> Philippe
> 
>> But the current Nikon 24-120mm f/4 VR GAF-S is second generation VR
>> and its
>> optical issues of the previous issue have all been addressed. Its a
>> well
>> thought of lens selling like hotcakes to all the smart people and
>> some less
>> smart.
>> I don't think of as a do all lens I don't think the zoom range is
>> all that
>> wide and its not that much of a monster lens.
>> its simplify extended from 24-85 to fit our current sensibilities
>> and does
>> what current optics can do.
>> Its not the monster 28-300. Which may be an ok lens for what it is.
>> 
>> VR is a huge thing for your shooting when it works right and from
>> all anyone
>> can tell it works perfectly on this current  24-120mm f/4 VR GAF-S
>> lens
>> enabling amazing low light shooting. That on top of excrement
>> current nikon
>> optics to begin with.
>> Nikon is an excellent optical company wand when it messes up it does
>> not
>> mess up for long.
>> With this current version of a key lens its got it right.
>> -- 
>> Mark R.
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:51:07 -0800
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
>>> 
>>> thanks much Jay
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Steve Barbour
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:33
>>> PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Steve,
>> Yes. The AF-S
>>> Nikkor 24-120 f4G ED VR, to give it its catalogue monicker,
>> is a soft lens
>>> with quite a bit of distortion at both ends. I bought it on
>> specs without
>>> trying it out, which I normally never do, which was an
>> unforced error if ever
>>> there was one. It is a lens that gives convenience
>> at the cost of optical
>>> quality, a bad trade off. IMHO, the older one (AF-S
>> 24-85 f3.5-4.5G) is
>>> lighter, more compact, less expensive and better
>> performing, albeit in a
>>> narrower zoom range. Both have AFS, and 'G' type
>> lenses, but the older lens
>>> does not have VR, which I have not found to be a
>> material disadvantage in this
>>> zoom range. It is going to stay on my D700 as
>> my walk around, standard zoom
>>> lens.
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Steve Barbour
>>> <steve.barbour at gmail.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Jayanand
>>> Govindaraj wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mark,
>>>> I find the old 24-85 f3.5 - 4.5G lens to be
>>> superior in every way. Buying
>>>> the latest version of the 24-120 (the f4
>>> one)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> is this the identical VR lens that Mark speaks of?
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> was a big mistake - I am
>>>> going to advertise and sell it this
>>> weekend.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jayanand
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Mark
>>> Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I check B&H and find that
>>> they sell a "kit" Nikon D700 SLR Digital
>>> Camera
>>>>> Kit with 24-120mm VR
>>> Lens for $3,996.90 (and you'd think you'd have to
>>> pay
>>>>> Four Grand for
>>> such a combo)
>>>>> This is a lens I'd kill for.  The pix I'd do with one would
>>> take no
>>>>> prisoners. I'd never sleep.
>>>>> The lens itself cost thirteen
>>> hundred bucks and uses a 77mm filter.
>>>>> Not real Leica like. But will do in
>>> the interim.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And faster than a measly 700 millions miles an hour
>>> too.
>>>>> If that's as fast as I could ever go I'd get a tune up!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> --
>>>>> Mark R.
>>>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users
>>> Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:05:07 -0500
>>>>>> 
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez
>>> Bergdorf's window
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mine too.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Mark R.
>>>>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group
>>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:23:20 -0600 (CST)
>>>>>>> 
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High
>>> Rez Bergdorf's window
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My D700 was lens free (No lens)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> Gene
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> "philippe.amard"
>>> <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group"
>>>>>>> 
>>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:32:09 AM GMT
>>> -06:00
>>>>>>> US/Canada Central
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's
>>> window
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 13 d?c.
>>>>>>> 11 ? 01:36, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> That's a perk on the nikon vs. canon
>>>>>>> lenses. Their kit glass
>>> really
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> great specs. As long as you don't
>>>>>>> bang them going
>>> through a door out
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> whack. They look embarrassing but
>>>>>>> they
>>> make very good images. Though
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> not used one in over a
>>> year
>>>>>>> there is not kit glass for full frame.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I bought my D700
>>> with the infamous
>>>>>>> -free- 24-10 ; package by Nikon, Mark
>>>>>> different
>>> markets I guess
>>>>>> Philippe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was shooting this
>>> thing on P so it was wide open which was 5.6 at
>>>>>>> 20mm
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> which
>>> means everything front to back is sharp as hell. I could not
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> believe it. That's also an advantage to shooting cropped. Its ten
>>>>>>> 
>>> times
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> harder for me to get it all with my 24-85 full frame glass
>>> which in
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> comparison weights a ton.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Mark
>>> R.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Jim Nichols
>>>>>>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To:
>>> Leica Users Group
>>>>>>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011
>>> 13:52:05 -0600
>>>>>>>> To: Leica
>>>>>>> Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's
>>>>>>> window
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Very
>>> nicely captured, Mark.  Nice to find a gem among the bargain
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>> lenses.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>>> -----
>>> Original Message
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Mark Rabiner"
>>> <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users
>>>>>>> Group"
>>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:01 PM
>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I
>>> was going over
>>>>>>> window's I'd shot Dec 12 2008 at Bergdorf's that
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> night and
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> amazed by the detail and high quality so I checked
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> metadata to
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> which of my real money Nikon glass
>>> I'd shot it with. The 28 1.4 or
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>> 14 2.8.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/c4bmnog
>>>>>>>>> It turned out the
>>>>>>> be the lowly 99
>>> dollar special 18.0-55.0 mm f/
>>>>>>>>> 3.5-5.6 DX
>>>>>>>>> non VR
>>>>>>> which
>>> you get when you click the sort  for cheaper at top
>>>>>>>>> bottom on
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> the Adorama or B&H sites. Maybe Calumet.
>>>>>>>>> So I left it at a much
>>> higher
>>>>>>> rez than 1200 pixels on the long
>>>>>>>>> end so you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>> really see it when
>>>>>>> you click the zoom in button on the LUG
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> gallery.
>>>>>>>>> The iso was 400 so
>>>>>>> there really was a lot of light in
>>> these
>>>>>>>>> window. And it
>>>>>>>>> makes for
>>>>>>> some real quality
>>> images.
>>>>>>>>> The windows at Bergdorf's  which are the best
>>>>>>> I've ever
>>> seen
>>>>>>>>> anywhere have
>>>>>>>>> not been as good the past three of
>>>>>>> 
>>> years.   09 and 10 and '11.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Mark R.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
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