Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/08

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Subject: [Leica] Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:50:53 -0400

I don't think people give up their chosen career as a photographer or
anything else because the economy at some particular time like now happens
to be better supporting another job skill or profession. One waits it out.

- - from my iRabs.
Mark Rabiner
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/


> From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:24:37 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
> 
> People won't take the jobs because they pay starvation wages. I don't
> blame them, I won't work for that little either. When people willingly
> accept shit jobs, they cause immense damage to the entire economy of the
> nation by encouraging employers to pay less and less. Its a myth anyway
> that fruit goes unpicked for lack of white workers. They get poor Mexicans
> to do it, and as a Hispano-American (part of my family came from Spain), I
> find it offensive that my fellow Hispanics are ruthlessly exploited so
> that middle class Americans can pay a few dollars less for fruit.
> 
> People with your attitude need to study history. Remember what happened in
> Russia in 1917 or in China in 1949, or Cuba in 1959? The poor got tired of
> being spit on, and decided to cut some throats. I never thought I'd see
> the United States become the kind of place where that could happen, but
> with our ruling class now determined to reduce the population to third
> world poverty, and plenty of people like you cheering it on, I suspect
> that in my lifetime I'm going to see that kind of violence in my country,
> and I'm not happy about it. YOU are the problem, and I agree with Richard,
> it sickens me to see this attitude. I fear for the future my son will
> inherit. The present is bad enough for many people.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Crawford (in my last semester as a grad student in History at
> Indiana University)
> Fine Art Photography
> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> 260-437-8990
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/9/12 1:12 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I give another example.
>> 
>> I read that a lot of ripe fruits are left unpicked because no one (white
>> in
>> particular) in those places is willing to take the job. Rather, they sit
>> at
>> home and complain why the gov doesn't extend their jobless benefits.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Richard Man
>> <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> Speaking like a damned privileged class. This sickens me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kay Yang <liangjiyang at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There are all kinds of jobs that have been eliminated in the past. So
>>> while
>>>> it sucks that most photographers are no longer worth as much as they
>>> used
>>>> to be, we should just move on and accept this change. There are all
>>> kinds
>>>> of jobs out there that are unfilled because there are no matching
>>>> candidates. So I don't understand why people don't just learn some new
>>>> skills and grab those jobs.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj
>>> <jayanand at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Whatever may be the reason and justification, I agree 100% with Kay
>>> Yang
>>>>> from an economic and investment point of view. There are much less
>>>>> expensive cameras that a full fledged working photographer can use
>>> to
>>> get
>>>>> results that are equally acceptable in the marketplace.
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Chris Crawford <
>>>>> chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Phil bought the camera in better times; like most Americans, this
>>>> economy
>>>>>> has made making a living hard in recent years. I've had to sell
>>> gear
>>> to
>>>>>> pay bills too. He is a working professional photographer, not a
>>> rich
>>>> man
>>>>>> playing with Leicas because they're expensive toys. I think it
>>> sucks
>>> he
>>>>>> has to sell them and it sucks that real photographers really
>>> cannot
>>>>> afford
>>>>>> this stuff anymore.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My latest work!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/9/12 12:27 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you need that extra few thousands to survive, you probably
>>>> shouldn't
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> shooting with a Leica M in the first place.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Phil Forrest
>>>>>>> <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I actually might.
>>>>>>>> The M8 is a fantastic camera. I still have a bunch of UV/IR
>>>> filters. I
>>>>>>>> have an M9 and could definitely use the extra few thousand to
>>> live
>>>> off
>>>>>>>> of.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Phil Forrest
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:07:32 -0400
>>>>>>>> Vick Ko <vick.ko at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Factors:
>>>>>>>>> - M9 is still $5K to $6, and will start going down its
>>> devaluation
>>>>>>>>> curve
>>>>>>>>> - M8 is likely at the bottom of its devaluation curve, with
>>> mint
>>>>>>>>> units at $2.5K
>>>>>>>>> - M8 is still a darned fine camera, and I still have a whack
>>> of
>>>>> UV/IR
>>>>>>>>> filters
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone gone from M9 back to an M8? What were your
>>> reasons?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Vick
>>>>>>>>> 
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Replies: Reply from john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster) ([Leica] Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?)
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